▲ 674 ▼ Researchers took 44 men and gave either plant-protein or animal-protein supplements for 12 weeks while strength training. There was no statistical difference in muscle strength or mass between groups (www.tandfonline.com) submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml to c/science@lemmy.world 250 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (1 child) And if neither has much effect, the study is pointless. I hope there was a control group who had a placebo supplement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child) That’s not how science works. You do experiments even to find out if it is pointless. But, yes, they should have a control group. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) So the research was pointless because we can't tell the difference without a control group. Further research needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) That doesn’t make it pointless. There is something to be learned from this. Using a control would answer a different question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Using a control group would tell us if there's any gain from the supplements whatsoever, was basically my point. For the average person using supplements doesn't do much for weight gain as far as I hear, so that's why I was asking what kind of people these subjects were, if they were athletes or regular people doing weight training. So, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child) That’s not how science works. You do experiments even to find out if it is pointless. But, yes, they should have a control group. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) So the research was pointless because we can't tell the difference without a control group. Further research needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) That doesn’t make it pointless. There is something to be learned from this. Using a control would answer a different question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Using a control group would tell us if there's any gain from the supplements whatsoever, was basically my point. For the average person using supplements doesn't do much for weight gain as far as I hear, so that's why I was asking what kind of people these subjects were, if they were athletes or regular people doing weight training. So, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) So the research was pointless because we can't tell the difference without a control group. Further research needed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) That doesn’t make it pointless. There is something to be learned from this. Using a control would answer a different question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Using a control group would tell us if there's any gain from the supplements whatsoever, was basically my point. For the average person using supplements doesn't do much for weight gain as far as I hear, so that's why I was asking what kind of people these subjects were, if they were athletes or regular people doing weight training. So, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child) That doesn’t make it pointless. There is something to be learned from this. Using a control would answer a different question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Using a control group would tell us if there's any gain from the supplements whatsoever, was basically my point. For the average person using supplements doesn't do much for weight gain as far as I hear, so that's why I was asking what kind of people these subjects were, if they were athletes or regular people doing weight training. So, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) Using a control group would tell us if there's any gain from the supplements whatsoever, was basically my point. For the average person using supplements doesn't do much for weight gain as far as I hear, so that's why I was asking what kind of people these subjects were, if they were athletes or regular people doing weight training. So, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 child) And, my point is that calling this research pointless is just wrong because it answers à different question. I’m not disagreeing that the question that you want answered should be studied. It should. But, the fact that this research doesn’t answer your question doesn’t make it pointless. It’s perfectly valid research to study whether the results are different between animal-based and plant-based supplements. I didn’t go through the citations but they say: Recent evidence suggests that both animal and plant proteins support strength and hypertrophy gains when paired with resistance training and adequate protein intake which sounds like the research you’re asking for has already been done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago Alright, valid points from both sides. 🤝 permalink fedilink source parent