▲ 296 ▼ What's up with FUTO? (drewdevault.com) submitted 10 months ago by Ephera@lemmy.ml to c/opensource@lemmy.ml 148 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] MonkCanatella@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago (17 children) FUTO is more or less openly fascists permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] demizerone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) I had no idea. Now I have to find a new keyboard... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) Heliboard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I read that as "Hellboard" which sounds like an awesome mashup between Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and Brutal Legend permalink fedilink source parent [–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (13 children) How so? I'm not doubting, I just didn't see any of that evidence in the article. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (12 children) Have you read the same article? The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (11 children) Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they "openly" fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state "we are fascists"? Because they might be, but I don't think they ever openly said so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (9 children) Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago I think that's a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn't make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (2 children) I had no idea. Now I have to find a new keyboard... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) Heliboard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I read that as "Hellboard" which sounds like an awesome mashup between Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and Brutal Legend permalink fedilink source parent
[–] helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 child) Heliboard permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I read that as "Hellboard" which sounds like an awesome mashup between Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and Brutal Legend permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago I read that as "Hellboard" which sounds like an awesome mashup between Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and Brutal Legend permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (13 children) How so? I'm not doubting, I just didn't see any of that evidence in the article. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (12 children) Have you read the same article? The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (11 children) Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they "openly" fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state "we are fascists"? Because they might be, but I don't think they ever openly said so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (9 children) Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago I think that's a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn't make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago (12 children) Have you read the same article? The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (11 children) Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they "openly" fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state "we are fascists"? Because they might be, but I don't think they ever openly said so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (9 children) Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago I think that's a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn't make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (11 children) Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they "openly" fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state "we are fascists"? Because they might be, but I don't think they ever openly said so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (9 children) Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago I think that's a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn't make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (9 children) Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of "we are thieves!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 10 months ago In 2025 they do permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml -4 points 10 months ago* (7 children) Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren't, because who would. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (6 children) But if your roommate says he isn't a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn't even have a job. I don't know man, you have to start asking questions. Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (5 children) says he isn't a thief Well that's the entire issue, isn't it? If he says he isn't a thief, then he's a thief who clearly isn't open about it. Just like Mike isn't openly a nazi, he's just a nazi who's lying about not being one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago (4 children) Mike is "more or less" openly a Nazi if he frequents the nazi bar. Don't need them to outright say heil Hitler to see what crowd they promote and attract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (3 children) By that logic the word "openly" is meaningless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (2 children) I mean, if they're entering the front door, not a hidden entry somewhere at the back, it's pretty open. Like an open secret permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 point 10 months ago (1 child) And yet FUTO clearly attempt to keep up a false image of being the good guys, which doesn't seem like openly being the bad guys. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 1 point 10 months ago Do they? I haven't seen any comments from them about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 10 months ago I think that's a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn't make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan. permalink fedilink source parent