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Pick your Lemmy instance wisely... (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
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[–] 10 points 3 years ago (10 children)

Had to look up "sea lion." That's something I've seen a lot of, but never knew there was a specific term for.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I've been running into something adjacent, but doesn't quite fit that description. Basically people use the tactics of Sealioning but the motivation seems to be just reframing the conversation to whatever they wanted to talk about, rather than necessarily pissing you off. It can be just as annoying though.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    Sealioning is an accusation that rests on assuming someone else's intentions. You can't ever know for sure if someone is a sealion, because people aren't mind readers. I usually see sealioning accusations thrown by neurotypicals at autistic people, because they can't read our emotions like they're used to and that freaks them out and they assume hostile intent.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Yes, it could be mistaken for that if a person isn't paying attention. But the difference between acting in good faith and not is usually pretty obvious as it goes on.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Well that's a tremendous amount of faith in your ability to read other people's minds. And given you make no distinction between reading the minds of neurotypicals and autistics, I'd bet good money that you're frequently wrong when you try to read autistic minds. Which would make your actions towards autistic people frequently cruel.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Autistic mind here: Reading yours is giving me a headache. It's like debugging a minecraft mod after patch day. Please reset aggression level to zero and run a malware scan.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, I'm neurodivergent in a lot of different ways, and every one of them reduces the efficacy of neurotypical empathy. That sensation you're experiencing right now from talking to me is the same way neurotypical people feel when they talk to you. No wonder neurotypicals are so ableist to autistics, talking to us causes them pain. But it's still not right for them to demand we think like them, and it's still not right for you to demand I think like you. What we have to learn is how to coexist together.

    And any coexistence we reach isn't going to involve always assuming we can read minds effectively. It's just an unrealistic standard.

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