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Play to your strengths (media.piefed.social)
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[–] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I'm not talking about random mercenary acts. I'm talking about defending yourself and your community from literal military invasion. For some reason self defensive violence is entirely understandable and just to most people. It's a fundamental part of any justice system. Unless that self defensive violence is done in return to unjust state violence.

Everyone was rightfully ready to cheer on the Ukrainian civilians taking up arms against the Russian invasion. But, suddenly, when it's happening here, that's unjustifiable.

"Convincing the normies" won't matter when you're sitting in a labor camp.

Concerning nonviolence, it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks.

We are nonviolent with people that are nonviolent with us.

-Malcolm X

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Military deployments in Portland and Chicago are currently blocked by court order. What we're currently seeing on the streets is civilian law enforcement with cosplay uniforms.

    The numbers of troops called up in Portland and Chicago are low, less than 500 each. This isn't enough to do any meaningful military occupation. At most it's to show off, like in the Assault on MacArthur Park.

    These reasons are why the public will not condone "self defense violence". The "invasion" has simply not reached a stage where it's warranted.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The grandma will still die from breathing in the pepper spray they put in the air intake of the suite. You're saying deaths of innocent protesters are worth it? I'm sorry, but have you been to a protest where ICE gets violent? Are you waiting until someone is killed? Because that's already happened.

    We should remain nonviolent in the face of our allies being abducted, tortured, and killed? Where is the line for you? Honestly?

    Because I'm not saying this to get people to go do random acts of violence against ICE. I'm saying this so that people like you realize that the preparation for a resistance is needed NOW. You don't just go out and be violent. That's not at all what the Black Panther Party was doing. And honestly, that preparation is likely far too late even now.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (1 child)

    When ICE shows up. There are no nonviolent protest. Right now the violence is just in one direction.

    Do you think an organized group of people physically protecting a Grandma from state violence is any less effective in radicalizing people? I'd argue it's MORE effective. Do you think people want to go out and protest when they are surrounded by other people that will stand by and do nothing when they get grabbed?

    All nonviolence is doing is allowing ICE to do their true violence in private. We don't resist so they take someone away and do their violence off camera. They take their children away. They put them into camps and brutalize them. They kill them in a means that is not public or passed off to another country to do it for them.

    Does resisting increase the risk of a lethal act at that time? Yes. But lethal acts are already happening. Right now they're just happening off camera and "a man found dead in ICE detention" is the story.

    Standing by and doing nothing is not reducing harm and it's not helping radicalize people. It's just allowing the state to do it's violence off camera while still filling the media with lies of violent protesters.

    Showing people what organized physical resistance actually looks like gives people that are already on the streets hope and solidarity. I know. I've experienced it.

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