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Kamala Harris appears to blame ‘people not voting’ for 2024 loss to Trump as book tour gets off to rocky start (www.independent.co.uk)
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[–] 42 points 11 months ago* (24 children)

I'm so fucking tired of that spin.

It's like a restaurant owner who offered a crappy menu of poorly cooked food that nobody wanted in the first place blaming the restaurant's failure on the people who refused to eat there.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    ... Except the alternative was someone shitting on all of the food in the county.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Which is exactly why the Democrat establishment should've done a better job of appealing to voters.

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    The option being "not a fascist" should have been enough for people. But looks like people don't have any sense of self preservation.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Except the only options were corporate fascism or national fascism. Yeah, she was the better choice, but the democrats are a right wing fascist party by corporations. They make people not want to vote for them because they aren't doing anything to improve our lives. At least Republicans lied to their voters that they would change things for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Let's say I agree with you - it should've been enough.

    So ? How does that make a fucking bit of difference? Everybody with a working brain knew already, after 2016 and 2020, that there was some notable chance that, like it or not, it wasn't going to be enough.

    And the solution was easy - the whole thing could've been avoided just by offering up a candidate who wasn't a pro-zionist, pro-corporate, pro-billionaire slimeball. Yes - maybe the case can be made that people should vote for a pro-zionist pro-corporate pro-billionaire slimeball when the alternative is a deranged fascist, but the simple fact is that there's some number of people who, in that situation, are just going to say "fuck it" and stay home instead.

    And anybody with a working brain who even briefly considered the matter had to know that that was the case.

    Which means that anyone who thought that was a good strategy anyway is a fucking moron at best, and they and nobody else deserve the blame for following such a dumbass strategy.

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  • [+] -13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Except the ones that they cook at home, so they just stayed in.

    Your analogy would be better in Australia where voting is compulsory.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    It is specifically a Dim Sum restaurant, and the DNC rolled out the same shitty cold unwanted dim sum on the carts with a side of Liz Cheney to try and make it appetizing to Maga chuds.

    Maga chuds don't go to dim sum restaurants and your actual patrons don't want cold shit and Liz Cheney. No wonder your restaurant gets voted last place in a two person race.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    This is the worst analogy I've ever seen

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  • [–] -3 points 11 months ago

    Yeah if people clearly understood if they dont eat this shit food then theyll be eating litteral shit. But time after time its clear most people are stupider then anyone could imagine.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    And I'm so fucking tired of this "both sides" nonsense.

    When the choice is between a politician you don't like and a fucking fascist, the choice is clear. Well it should be. But there are people upset that there are "no good choices" so they just let the worst happen. No sense of self preservation, just complain that the choice that wasn't fascism wasn't good enough. It should be enough that it prevents fascism, but here we are, with people like you.

    No, this is like there being two items in the menu, one that you don't love and one that will poison you, and people have a hard time deciding for some reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    "both sides"

    lol

    What is that - the Democrat apologist all-purpose strawman? You just call every point of view you desperately want to dismiss out of hand a "both sides" position?

    I didn't "both sides" anything.

    My point is very simple - if the Democrats want people to vote for their candidate, they have to offer a candidate people want to vote for.

    It's really just that simple.

    And if they can't be bothered to even do that, then that's their fault and nobody else's.

    And yes - if course you believe that people who didn't vote for the somewhat less objectionsble pro-genocide, pro-corporate, pro-billionaire slimeball are awful, stupid fuck-ups - that's the official Democratic spologist line that gets trotted out just like clockwork every time the subject comes up, and the exact spin I was talking about.

    But here's a bit of news for you and the DNC and the rest of their apologists - it doesn't fucking matter what you think. The simple fact is that, for whatever reason and entirely regardless of your views on the matter, some significant number of people who would otherwise have voted for the Democrat candidate if they'd been an actual leftist are going to say "fuck it" and stay home if you try to push a sleazy neo-lib hack on them instead. It doesn't matter what you think about it - that's what they're going to do.

    They might well be just as ignorant and short-sighted and awful as you self-affirmingly want to believe them to be, and it still doesn't matter in the slightest, because that's how they are and that's what they're going to do and that's just the way it is.

    And if you go ahead and try to pish a sleazy neo-lib hack on them anyway, then you're a fucking moron ar best.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Your argument is they didn't win because they didn't win. Clearly that's true, but it was also clearly a choice by the electorate and a stupid one. Could the democrats have done better - we can't know. If they had moved progressive, they may have lost centrist votes. Should they have had a white male populist candidate? It likely would have helped, but is that really a good way to go? If we accept that the dems were a better option for the majority but lost, then it comes down to education, or more specifically: media control. The repubs win because of their control of mass media. It doesn't really matter if the dems have the best candidate by far; the right wing media system will villainize them; and people like you will be programmed to say they are bad and not worth a vote.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    The issue is in your analogy you're upset at the people who just decide it's not worth going to the restaurant at all. We need to give them an option they actually wouldn't mind eating. Until then they're just gonna keep deciding not to eat. That or we make voting compulsory.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    a politician you don’t like and a fucking fascist

    Holocaust Harris was also a fascist

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