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Head of the Signal app threatens to withdraw from Europe (www.bluewin.ch)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[+] -18 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Where would be the loss with that?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    We wouldn't have a simple and secure way of communicating?

    The apple/Facebook alternatives are not good at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Simplex, xmpp, deltachat, briar, matrix, even session.

    Anything is better than signal that relies on a centralised proprietary server and requires a phone number.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    I hate talkingpoints like that. Sure Signal can be critiqued, but it's still the best "mainstream" solution we have. And a lot of people would just stop using secure messanger when signal is gone. Including me because what is simplex or matrix worth for me, when no one I know cares to switch?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My personal experience is that if I can convince someone to install signal I can also convince them to install simplex, the process is the same. If I can't then they aren't going to use anything but the popular spyware anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I will absolutely try that, but most of the people switched to signal or threema because they already heard about it and could just use it because they already used it for some other contacts (actually this was the most common. They already had an account and the app and just had to use it more) . But I don't think a lot of people would switch to a messanger they never heard about, just for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Well, that is fair, also simplex has some serious bugs which I don't mind because I value freedom, security and privacy over reliability, but sometimes the app just stops receiving messages until restarted and I need to message them via other means telling them to restart the app.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure, but tell my family that...

    Has any of those become like easy to install and use? To be fair I haven't checked in some time...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    With DeltaChat you don't even need an email address anymore, they provide it for you on the fly. They just ask your name if you (optionally) want to put it.

    Can't be simpler than that tbh.

    If you want a better looking ui, check ArcaneChat for Android. It's 100% compatible with DeltaChat protocol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Simplex is really easy to install and use, unfortunately it's still kinda buggy, specially with public relays, I personally don't mind buggy, I'm willing to make sacrifices for the same of freedom and privacy.

    I just keep a second chat app as a failback so I can send them a message saying "ur simplex broke again, pls restart"

    Xmpp has been stable for decades, tho I guess otr/omemo is hard for family to install, also doesn't support e2ee calls (or rather, it does, but it's complicated). But I haven't used xmpp in a long time.

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