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Hail Corporate! (sh.itjust.works)
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I respect people's right to use apple products, but please stop asserting "privacy", big corps doesn't give a shit.

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[–] 7 points 11 months ago (14 children)

The issue in one of the cases (San Bernardino) had nothing to do with iCloud data, and everything to do with the data on the device itself. The FBI request was a backdoor into the device. Apple (rightly) refused to add a backdoor to access the phone.

You are referencing data that goes to Apple’s iCloud servers, which Apple was happy to provide because they held the encryption keys. Since then, they have enabled an E2E encryption feature for iCloud data.

I am happy to discuss Apple’s shortcomings, but let’s be clear on which ones we’re discussing

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (13 children)

    Its the don't track privacy type settings where you opt out, research found it was a toggle button that did nothing.

    They only tout privacy to gain market, they would sell us out for a dollar

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (12 children)

    Is this separate from Advanced Data Protection, which is E2E encrypted data on iCloud?

    “Don’t track privacy type settings” isn’t very descriptive, so apologies if I’m sounding any way I’m just trying to be clear about what the complaint here is.

    And to be clear, is this a privacy concern exclusive to Apple?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (11 children)

    Totally unrelated to the E2E, I will have to search for it. It was a year or two ago. Apple claimed turning off the data collection kept your use private to you, but was just a lie, they collected all your data anyway.

    And yes, its an IPhone setting not an android setting. Google is another issue.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (10 children)

    Ok please let me know when you have more information I am very interested to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    This should be it , and somewhere I have a podcast feed about all the details

    The iPhone Analytics setting makes an explicit promise. Turn it off, and Apple says that it will “disable the sharing of Device Analytics altogether.” However,

    https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-analytics-tracking-even-when-off-app-store-1849757558

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    While the amount of data gathered is concerning, the type of data is still considered telemetry, which you still agree to have them collect when accepting the terms and conditions of the App Store.

    That isn’t to say I’m happy Apple is doing this, but I wanted to start by making that distinction: Apple isn’t “ignoring” your preference to turn off personalized ads, it’s collecting telemetry data which you’ve already given them permission to do when signing up for and using the App Store. The issue with this telemetry data from a privacy perspective is the amount and the fact that it can still be used to identify a user. These are rightly concerning.

    It looks like a class-action suit was brought against them for this, and as of September of 2024 a judge trimmed some of the claims, but refused to toss out the suit meaning Apple has to defend themselves. Unfortunately that’s all the information I can find. Do you have anything from after that point? I’m only asking because I don’t and would like to know how it’s going.

    Sucks Apple is doing this for sure, but at this point unfortunately it doesn’t seem to violate any existing agreements (would like to see how the class-action progresses to confirm this) and there is still no sign that they’re selling this data or using it to deliver you personalized ads. Pending the results of the suit I’m gonna have to reiterate that even with this, they’re absolutely the lesser evil. But still an evil.

    They would sell us out for a dollar

    Still possible but also still unfounded, so far.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I have to search through two years of podcasts LOL. The issue is the setting misinforms the user. On: we collect your dara, off: we don't. But they still were. Had they had no toggle it would fall under TOS. But giving a person a facade of choice is dubious

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

    Looking beyond just podcasts, the terms and conditions of the App Store itself are what covers collection of this data. I agree with you an argument could be made that the user is being misinformed or misled, and am not going to defend Apple doing that. But there’s a conflation being made I think behind device data collection settings vs App Store terms and conditions telemetry data, and what data is being collected based on each.

    In other words, shady practices for sure but this might be (at least partially) a case of sensationalism over a misunderstanding of what kind of data the device settings and App Store terms and conditions cover, and which terms we’re talking about.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    There is the issue about Siri sending info also even if you opted out.

    I think its probably minor compared to Google's harvesting on android, and probably kept within Apples garden, but with a Corporation ( and now Fascist regime ) they will eventually choose profit or government compliance over privacy.

    I've moved to GrapheneOS to avoid google, but Google seems too be closing off OpenSource parts of Android, so that Project will probably come to end at some point.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

    Yeah the Siri thing has no excuse. What I can say about that though is it got a public apology, and since has become an opt-in setting that users are presented with on the setup of any new device. I think the bad press caught up with them on that one and they were fairly quick to own up and correct it.

    Absolutely legitimate criticism, but I don’t see Google backtracking on any privacy-hostile actions and yet people still use Chrome and Android. Apple’s made mistakes and sometimes is a little stubborn about it, but they are relatively quick to admit fault and course correct. Can’t ask for much more from a large corporation these days.

    It’s my understanding that GrapheneOS and LineageOS are going to eventually impacted by the new signing requirements, which I think is what you just hinted at too. What a shame, I love grapheneOS for my work phone and would love to keep using it. Unfortunately if this will affect them I don’t know if the masses will have a better choice than iOS. Again, a full featured Linux phone is the dream but I don’t see one taking up much market share in the near future.

    In the meantime I don’t see why Apple gets all the hate wrt privacy when they at least are capable of apologizing and reversing their decisions when called out. Many people I’ve met IRL that hate Apple for these reasons seem to use Google services or zuck-owned social media and not understand the irony. Sometimes it just feels like generic bandwagon hate to me, which is all I’m arguing against here tbh.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think the hate is because they tout privacy and then fail in some areas, but a large part of the fan base is evangelical about apple even with the let downs. While Google gets forgiven because it is like "hell yeah we will sell your data."

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

    I mean, isn’t it a good thing that the company that touts privacy publicly apologizes and reverses course when they screw up, even if they sometimes don’t to the degree we would like?

    I don’t see why Google should ever be forgiven
    for violating our privacy just because they’re blatant about doing it. That’s dumb.

    Everyone’s always gonna have their own team. Apple doomers have existed since the late 80’s and are just as insufferable imo.

    Evangelicals in either camp are inevitable, and not worth vilifying/deifying the entire platform over. It shouldn’t even matter, we should be demanding more out of all of them.

    I realize that I’m just venting now, apologies lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    It is good they acknowledge it and correct it. At some point apologies are empty if it is repeated.

    But my point on apple and google is like the school teacher with a good student and a "bad" kid. Expectations are set higher for the good kid, because "they should know better." And bad kid often has things slide because teachers view is "they're a bad kid, it's what we expected"

    Google has a track record of being shitty, so nobody cares anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    I don’t quite think Apple has gotten to that point. When they do I’ll gladly swear them off. They were absolutely wrong about Siri recordings and I guess we’ll see how this tracking class action goes, but that’s it as far as I’m aware. Some will complain still about an iOS battery management thing to this day but that can be attributed more to PR and bad release notes than anything truly concerning.

    The only issue I see with that is it removes all incentive for the “bad” kid to ever change.

    If all we do is stop caring about the “bad” kid, what reason is there to be “good”?

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