▲ 1229 ▼ Google's shocking developer decree struggles to justify the urgent threat to F-Droid (www.neowin.net) submitted 11 months ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 298 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 220 points 11 months ago (24 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 11 months ago thank god for brazil permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lojcs@piefed.social 43 points 11 months ago (4 children) .. Brazil is one of the first countries this'll go into effect and I also remember something about how that first batch of countries was chosen because their governmemts support this change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 47 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) Best of luck to Brazil then. Hopefully you get them to change course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 13 points 11 months ago Brazil has actually been really good about holding the mega corps to account recently. I'm very hopeful for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago brazil and piracy are a match made in heaven, I remember when I was 8 and my mom went with me to a openstreet market to buy xbox360 games, all were pirate copies selling in open sky to anyone to buy, copyright be dammed, and of course can't forget the famous "gato" to watch all tv channels for free with a android box that definetly does not has a backdoor in it permalink fedilink source parent [–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) The problem might be that Google will argue this isn't a downgrade at all, but an upgrade (for "security" reasons). I don't want to be a pessimist, but the tech illiterate judges could eat that up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago That's exactly what they're hoping for, and why we need to keep pouring out our outcry to reach them and hope they become more tech-literate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (3 children) technically you will still be able to install apps from outside the play store, but the developer will need to verify their identity with google. Of course, most developers will refuse to do so (myself included), and so most apps will not be able to be installed. From a technical perspective, installing apps from other sources will still be allowed. So i can see judges ruling that this is not a feature removal. You and I both know this is google killing non play store apps, but I don't think the tech illiterate judges will see it that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Technically you can still install apps unsigned through ADB. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago Considering it's easier than ever to start up something like Shizuku, it could be used to grant f-droid access to install apps bypassing the requirement. Obviously not a good solution by any means. permalink fedilink source parent [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 11 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 11 months ago Also, let's stop calling it "sideloading". Sideloading has a bad vibe. We just want to INSTALL software on our own devices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Starting next year, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed by users on certified Android devices. Are they actually proposing to make any previously sold devices “certified” through a software update, though? Your points are right on if this edict applied to all devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 11 months ago A "certified Android device" is a device running Google Play Services, Play Protect, Google's WideVine DRM scheme and a few other requirements. If you purchase a device from a known manufacturer, like Samsung, you're falling into this category. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (8 children) They’re not removing a feature though, so that whole argument falls over instantly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 11 months ago* (6 children) That’s not removing a feature though, it’s just changing it. Side loading is the feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 11 months ago thank god for brazil permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 43 points 11 months ago (4 children) .. Brazil is one of the first countries this'll go into effect and I also remember something about how that first batch of countries was chosen because their governmemts support this change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 47 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) Best of luck to Brazil then. Hopefully you get them to change course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 13 points 11 months ago Brazil has actually been really good about holding the mega corps to account recently. I'm very hopeful for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago brazil and piracy are a match made in heaven, I remember when I was 8 and my mom went with me to a openstreet market to buy xbox360 games, all were pirate copies selling in open sky to anyone to buy, copyright be dammed, and of course can't forget the famous "gato" to watch all tv channels for free with a android box that definetly does not has a backdoor in it permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 47 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) Best of luck to Brazil then. Hopefully you get them to change course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 13 points 11 months ago Brazil has actually been really good about holding the mega corps to account recently. I'm very hopeful for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago brazil and piracy are a match made in heaven, I remember when I was 8 and my mom went with me to a openstreet market to buy xbox360 games, all were pirate copies selling in open sky to anyone to buy, copyright be dammed, and of course can't forget the famous "gato" to watch all tv channels for free with a android box that definetly does not has a backdoor in it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) Best of luck to Brazil then. Hopefully you get them to change course. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 13 points 11 months ago Brazil has actually been really good about holding the mega corps to account recently. I'm very hopeful for them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 13 points 11 months ago Brazil has actually been really good about holding the mega corps to account recently. I'm very hopeful for them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago brazil and piracy are a match made in heaven, I remember when I was 8 and my mom went with me to a openstreet market to buy xbox360 games, all were pirate copies selling in open sky to anyone to buy, copyright be dammed, and of course can't forget the famous "gato" to watch all tv channels for free with a android box that definetly does not has a backdoor in it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 11 months ago (1 child) The problem might be that Google will argue this isn't a downgrade at all, but an upgrade (for "security" reasons). I don't want to be a pessimist, but the tech illiterate judges could eat that up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago That's exactly what they're hoping for, and why we need to keep pouring out our outcry to reach them and hope they become more tech-literate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prathas@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago That's exactly what they're hoping for, and why we need to keep pouring out our outcry to reach them and hope they become more tech-literate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (3 children) technically you will still be able to install apps from outside the play store, but the developer will need to verify their identity with google. Of course, most developers will refuse to do so (myself included), and so most apps will not be able to be installed. From a technical perspective, installing apps from other sources will still be allowed. So i can see judges ruling that this is not a feature removal. You and I both know this is google killing non play store apps, but I don't think the tech illiterate judges will see it that way. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Technically you can still install apps unsigned through ADB. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago Considering it's easier than ever to start up something like Shizuku, it could be used to grant f-droid access to install apps bypassing the requirement. Obviously not a good solution by any means. permalink fedilink source parent [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 11 months ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) Technically you can still install apps unsigned through ADB. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago Considering it's easier than ever to start up something like Shizuku, it could be used to grant f-droid access to install apps bypassing the requirement. Obviously not a good solution by any means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago Considering it's easier than ever to start up something like Shizuku, it could be used to grant f-droid access to install apps bypassing the requirement. Obviously not a good solution by any means. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 11 months ago Also, let's stop calling it "sideloading". Sideloading has a bad vibe. We just want to INSTALL software on our own devices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Starting next year, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed by users on certified Android devices. Are they actually proposing to make any previously sold devices “certified” through a software update, though? Your points are right on if this edict applied to all devices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 11 months ago A "certified Android device" is a device running Google Play Services, Play Protect, Google's WideVine DRM scheme and a few other requirements. If you purchase a device from a known manufacturer, like Samsung, you're falling into this category. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 11 months ago A "certified Android device" is a device running Google Play Services, Play Protect, Google's WideVine DRM scheme and a few other requirements. If you purchase a device from a known manufacturer, like Samsung, you're falling into this category. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (8 children) They’re not removing a feature though, so that whole argument falls over instantly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 11 months ago* (6 children) That’s not removing a feature though, it’s just changing it. Side loading is the feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 11 months ago* (6 children) That’s not removing a feature though, it’s just changing it. Side loading is the feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 point 11 months ago* (6 children) That’s not removing a feature though, it’s just changing it. Side loading is the feature. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (4 children) I very much doubt that’s how the law works lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 11 months ago (2 children) Because you’re wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 11 months ago It’s cute that you think that simply changing a feature is illegal lol permalink fedilink source parent