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[–] 42 points 1 year ago* (26 children)

People really actually should learn how to make bugs into more widespread, varied, and tasty cuisine.

Meat is about to get much, much more expensive.

Addendum: Ask the vegans about their most cost effective, most sustainable protein sources.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Exploiting other creatures is anything but left.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It's harm reducing compared to exploiting mammals and devastating the environment with ranching and it's supporting agriculture. Also - you will eat the bugs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The only ones who say that without irony are right wing though so...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "you will eat the bugs" right? It's like their whole globalist dog whistle thing

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It is at this point, 7 comments deep, arguing over whether or not this is a 'left' or 'right' stance or otherwise how to classify it, that I am going to suggest that I have successfully produced an opinion which does not easily fit on the traditional left-right spectrum.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nah bro, while radical this is solidly left

    People really actually should learn how to make bugs into more widespread, varied, and tasty cuisine.

    Advocating for cultural updates to traditional hang-ups regarding disgust over ultimately harmless activities.

    Meat is about to get much, much more expensive.

    Recognition of real-world material conditions and their affects on workers.

    Addendum: Ask the vegans about their most cost effective, most sustainable protein sources.

    Not insulting vegans.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    For the record I agree with you, all your points as to why this is 'left'... but I would mostly just call this practical, pragmatic, realistic, something like that.

    Yes, that does mesh nicely with 'material conditions' and all that, but I still find it amusing that this has generated a bit of a classification argument, ahaha!

    EDiT: sorry i kind of stealth edited tjis for clarity, fucked up writst makes typing fun

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Ladies and gentlemen, we got 'im.

    I could realistically see some movement towards this, I mostly said it's radical because of the context of this thread in which other people are posting some fairly lukewarm takes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Where is... what axis on the spectrum is 'radical'?

    Do you mean... aiming at the root cause of the issue?

    Do you mean 'extreme'?

    But thats just uh, abstract questions, you did say you called it radical because basically most of the the other opinions here were rather uncontroversial.

    Still though... politics is as much a lense in the eye of the beholder as it is a set of self assigned labels.

    There are toooons of say right wingers who see themselves as centrists and communism = fascism and all that.

    But anyway, yeah, lets bring on the ants and crickets pizza from cyberpunk 77 or whatever lol.

    We broke through the 1.5C barrier and as far as I see it: adapt or die.

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    Came here to say this. Don’t be weirdos trying everything to eat new animals, and eat some BEANS immediately

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean, I mostly agree, beans and legumes are very, very practical...

    But ... beans and bugs?

    Variety is the spice of life?

    Maybe there is some kind of way to process crickets or ants into basically... 'meat' patties, ala impossible burgers or what not?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All plants are good protein sources, and you probably don't need as much protein as you think. The most sustainable plants are grown on a local farm. Investing in a CSA share makes it more economically sustainable for both the farmers and consumers. The most cost effective is probably something gross and drowning in pesticides (not sustainable).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Ah see, this is the problem though.

    I agree with all you've said.

    But... CSA won't feed 8 billion people.

    Full stop, it won't.

    Not without a magically generated total overthrow and reworking of world capitalism as it exists, toward some kind of eco based localized socialsm or something... yep, it would be nice if that would happen, but magical thinking is dumb.

    So, that can't be the generalized proposed framework for the future, unless you're just fine with a few billion people starving to death.

    Bugs though?

    Might be a more cost effective solution for protein that can actually work at scale, allow CSA to focus on the healthier and more sustsinable plants, and bugs as a protein source would probably be a hell of a lot less resource intensive and more sustainable than... our current level of cows, chickens, pigs, etc.

    We use so much farmland to grow food for pigs cows chickens.

    We could probably use a lot less farmland if that went to feeding crickets or something, and then use the saved farmland for healthier vegetables.

    At least, this is my rough and broad understanding/idea.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    but insects are less efficient than just growing protein-rich crops, it makes way way more sense to just stop feeding our crops to livestock and instead turning it into seitan and TVP

    plus, both of those products are effectively just a strange kind of meat, if you serve someone bolognese without telling them it's made with seitan they absolutely will not notice the difference.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Please do tell me more about seitan and TVP.

    Or, rather, I will have to look into these more on my own at some point.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    i mean there's not much to it, they're both protein extracted from plants in some way.
    the only real difference to meat is slightly different texture and lack of innate flavour, so you need to either serve with something else flavourful or marinate it first.

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