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[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago (3 children) "the world"? If you came over to the other side of the pond, you'd find that most of Europe is still using milliard, billiard, trilliard etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago Anglocentrism strikes again! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think that's one thing that's actually fine about the English language though. Constantly switching between something ending with "ion" to "iard" instead of just counting up doesn't make much sense to me personally. Million (1A), Milliard (1B), Billion (2A), Billiard (2B) seems odd compared to Million (1), Billion (2), Trillion (3), Quadrillion (4) I suppose the upside is that you don't have to learn as many prefixes, but it'll take another few years of inflation and wealth centralization (at least with currencies like the Euro, Dollar, or Pound) until Quadrillion is relevant in the financial sector and Mathematicians generally use letters. I suppose it makes other natural sciences a tiny bit easier, but there it's usually written in scientific notation anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hoimo@ani.social 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner. 1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes 1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes 1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes vs 1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³ Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴ It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power permalink fedilink source parent [–] warm@kbin.earth 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Crazy assumption. While the word is still in use in some languages, the short system has mostly replaced the long system for numbering, especially in the English speaking world. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milliard#Translations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chellomere@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Crazy assumption. Yes, it's true for the English speaking world, but it's much more nuanced outside of it. Here's a map from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/media/File:EScalas_corta_y_larga.svg Keep in mind that your link to wiktionary only covers languages where it is spelled exactly "milliard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago Anglocentrism strikes again! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 11 months ago (1 child) I think that's one thing that's actually fine about the English language though. Constantly switching between something ending with "ion" to "iard" instead of just counting up doesn't make much sense to me personally. Million (1A), Milliard (1B), Billion (2A), Billiard (2B) seems odd compared to Million (1), Billion (2), Trillion (3), Quadrillion (4) I suppose the upside is that you don't have to learn as many prefixes, but it'll take another few years of inflation and wealth centralization (at least with currencies like the Euro, Dollar, or Pound) until Quadrillion is relevant in the financial sector and Mathematicians generally use letters. I suppose it makes other natural sciences a tiny bit easier, but there it's usually written in scientific notation anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hoimo@ani.social 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner. 1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes 1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes 1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes vs 1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³ Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴ It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hoimo@ani.social 9 points 11 months ago (1 child) The million-milliard system means a billion has double the zeroes compared to million, trillion has triple the zeroes, etc. In the English system, a quadrillion has 15 zeroes, so 4 times 3 plus 3? A quadrillion should have 4*6=24 zeroes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner. 1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes 1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes 1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes vs 1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³ Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴ It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) I must admit I still don't see the point. Whether it's double/triple/quadruple of a million or just 3*n+1 doesn't seem to matter much. Of course it'd be better if a "thousand" was just called a "million" then, since that'd remove the +1, but the million milliard system doesn't seem to have any notable advantages otherwise, especially considering every "iard" step is a .5 one, which isn't much cleaner. 1,000 -> 3x0+1 zeroes 1,000,000 -> 3x1+1 zeroes 1,000,000,000 -> 3x2+1 zeroes vs 1,000,000 -> 1x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000 -> 1.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000 -> 2x6 zeroes (1,000,000,000,000,000 -> 2.5x6 zeroes) 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 -> 3x6 zeroes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³ Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴ It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] guy@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago In the long system: Million - 1 000 000¹ Billion - 1 000 000² Trillion - 1 000 000³ Short system: Million - 1 000² Billion - 1 000³ Trillion - 1 000⁴ It just doesn't follow as smoothly with the increase in power permalink fedilink source parent
[–] warm@kbin.earth 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) Crazy assumption. While the word is still in use in some languages, the short system has mostly replaced the long system for numbering, especially in the English speaking world. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/milliard#Translations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chellomere@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Crazy assumption. Yes, it's true for the English speaking world, but it's much more nuanced outside of it. Here's a map from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/media/File:EScalas_corta_y_larga.svg Keep in mind that your link to wiktionary only covers languages where it is spelled exactly "milliard". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago Crazy assumption. Yes, it's true for the English speaking world, but it's much more nuanced outside of it. Here's a map from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales#/media/File:EScalas_corta_y_larga.svg Keep in mind that your link to wiktionary only covers languages where it is spelled exactly "milliard". permalink fedilink source parent
