▲ 1320 ▼ The Browser Wasn’t Enough, Google Wants To Control All Your Software (hackaday.com) submitted 1 year ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 394 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Tlf@feddit.org 9 points 1 year ago (5 children) Is it good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children) It's very "meh..." with the added benefit of several (non-google) apps not working (/s). I choose to live with this inconvenience, but it still bothers me that my smartphone is significantly less useful in my daily life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy. No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol. Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh yes I forgot that pointing out the flaws in privacy-related things, so people who are interested in switching know what they're potentially getting in to, is a big NoNo here...all hail the perfect FOSS which can do no wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Don't feel pressured by me. If you feel pressured yourself, it may be a form of projected guilt. If you don't find privacy and security important enough to give up your connectivity or usability, that's perfectly fine. I don't have to live with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The purity tests are so exhausting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death". permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Honestly, smart phones being less useful in daily life is probably a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Having not used default Android for many years now, what makes GrapheneOS worse (aside from a few apps not working - which isn't an issue I've had, fortunately)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) GrapheneOS is not worse than other custom ROMs, never said it was. it's a mediocre experience best described with a "meh..." and a shrug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry, I was asking about GrapheneOS vs stock Android. I assumed that your comments on it were in comparison to stock Android since that's what the previous user most likely was asking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 2deck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Yes, ive had zero issues with it 👍 permalink fedilink source parent [–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago I went from 15 years of iPhones directly to Graphene, without really messing with Android in between, so my experience has been a STEEP learning curve, followed by a fairly hum-drum experience. But honestly, that's fine. I want my phone to take more of a back seat and not be something I keep needing to worry about. My banking app doesn't work in Graphene, but the website does, so I don't really mind. It could that there's a whole bunch of shit I'm missing, but mostly it's... fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] flemtone@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, light and my apps work without draining the battery in the background. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have to pay google to use it (only works on pixel phones afaik). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago There's a thriving used market with significant discounts if you're willing to go 1-2 models back from the latest ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children) It's very "meh..." with the added benefit of several (non-google) apps not working (/s). I choose to live with this inconvenience, but it still bothers me that my smartphone is significantly less useful in my daily life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy. No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol. Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh yes I forgot that pointing out the flaws in privacy-related things, so people who are interested in switching know what they're potentially getting in to, is a big NoNo here...all hail the perfect FOSS which can do no wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Don't feel pressured by me. If you feel pressured yourself, it may be a form of projected guilt. If you don't find privacy and security important enough to give up your connectivity or usability, that's perfectly fine. I don't have to live with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The purity tests are so exhausting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death". permalink fedilink source parent [–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Honestly, smart phones being less useful in daily life is probably a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Having not used default Android for many years now, what makes GrapheneOS worse (aside from a few apps not working - which isn't an issue I've had, fortunately)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) GrapheneOS is not worse than other custom ROMs, never said it was. it's a mediocre experience best described with a "meh..." and a shrug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry, I was asking about GrapheneOS vs stock Android. I assumed that your comments on it were in comparison to stock Android since that's what the previous user most likely was asking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) You always have a choice. You can ditch your morals entirely, give up, be subservient to the capitalists and give your identity over fully to the system like the good little consumer slave you are and enjoy your normie life looking at your normie phone and toss us all out as tinfoil-hatted weirdos who almost convinced you to make your life worse for the sake of self-sufficiency, independence and privacy. No one in the real world will ever know, care, or judge you. Only you will know that you gave up, that every location you exist in is known about by someone behind a monitor being overseen by fascists. Every day! You can live with that, right? That's a small thing to give up in the grand scheme of things, isn't it? At least Youtube loaded today, right? It's all worth it, lol. Just remember to type "thanks" in google keyboard whenever you want them to know you appreciate them. They log it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh yes I forgot that pointing out the flaws in privacy-related things, so people who are interested in switching know what they're potentially getting in to, is a big NoNo here...all hail the perfect FOSS which can do no wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Don't feel pressured by me. If you feel pressured yourself, it may be a form of projected guilt. If you don't find privacy and security important enough to give up your connectivity or usability, that's perfectly fine. I don't have to live with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The purity tests are so exhausting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rooty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children) Oh yes I forgot that pointing out the flaws in privacy-related things, so people who are interested in switching know what they're potentially getting in to, is a big NoNo here...all hail the perfect FOSS which can do no wrong. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Don't feel pressured by me. If you feel pressured yourself, it may be a form of projected guilt. If you don't find privacy and security important enough to give up your connectivity or usability, that's perfectly fine. I don't have to live with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The purity tests are so exhausting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) Don't feel pressured by me. If you feel pressured yourself, it may be a form of projected guilt. If you don't find privacy and security important enough to give up your connectivity or usability, that's perfectly fine. I don't have to live with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) The purity tests are so exhausting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikePigeons@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago Yup, privacy (and many other things) should be done to ones ability and not to ability of others. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] M1ch431@slrpnk.net -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) They’re the ones foisting their requirements on others. Somebody shares what they do, and the purists come storming in with their righteous condescension. Nobody asked for that negativity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) In this case, your assessment is fair - user is harsh, name-calls, and does talk down to the person they were responding to/the reader. I got lost in the chain. Regardless, accusations of purity testing come up more than enough online for my liking and it isn't always in response to righteous condescension, as you aptly described the user's behavior in this example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 year ago Wow, this definitely isn’t reddit! Thank you for having a reasonable discussion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago Dead Kennedys were prophetic when they named one of their albums "Give me convenience or give me death". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago Honestly, smart phones being less useful in daily life is probably a good thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Having not used default Android for many years now, what makes GrapheneOS worse (aside from a few apps not working - which isn't an issue I've had, fortunately)? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) GrapheneOS is not worse than other custom ROMs, never said it was. it's a mediocre experience best described with a "meh..." and a shrug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry, I was asking about GrapheneOS vs stock Android. I assumed that your comments on it were in comparison to stock Android since that's what the previous user most likely was asking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 child) GrapheneOS is not worse than other custom ROMs, never said it was. it's a mediocre experience best described with a "meh..." and a shrug. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry, I was asking about GrapheneOS vs stock Android. I assumed that your comments on it were in comparison to stock Android since that's what the previous user most likely was asking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] markko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sorry, I was asking about GrapheneOS vs stock Android. I assumed that your comments on it were in comparison to stock Android since that's what the previous user most likely was asking for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 year ago The answer is the same, very average. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 2deck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago Yes, ive had zero issues with it 👍 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago I went from 15 years of iPhones directly to Graphene, without really messing with Android in between, so my experience has been a STEEP learning curve, followed by a fairly hum-drum experience. But honestly, that's fine. I want my phone to take more of a back seat and not be something I keep needing to worry about. My banking app doesn't work in Graphene, but the website does, so I don't really mind. It could that there's a whole bunch of shit I'm missing, but mostly it's... fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flemtone@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, light and my apps work without draining the battery in the background. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) You have to pay google to use it (only works on pixel phones afaik). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago There's a thriving used market with significant discounts if you're willing to go 1-2 models back from the latest ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago There's a thriving used market with significant discounts if you're willing to go 1-2 models back from the latest ones. permalink fedilink source parent