Hey all. I'd like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.
I want to preface this by saying this is not in a 'ceding the issue' way. Over the past year I've been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I've internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.
The reason it's taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.
I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.
The consensus we've roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I'll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we'll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.
Will one of the people who kept claiming that an emoji depicting the burning of an israeli flag is tantamount to calling for or endorsing the holocaust please provide some sort of substantiation outside your own brains that this is a legitimate opinion to hold, which is not rank zionist propaganda? Does anybody, zionist or otherwise, hold this opinion outside this website?
I looked and here is what I found:
I also specifically searched the ADL website, as they have a very "broad" meaning of the concepts. (The last item was there, although just a brief news item without any commentary.) I searched their hate symbols database which has a terrible web interface so I also checked the PDF Book version of the database.
I tried to find any references to nazis burning israel flags.
I tried to find information about stars of david being burned in the holocaust like the KKK burning crosses.
Nada
I neeeeed to point out about the original post: you cant burn this flag.. original source of the screenshot from what I found. This appears to be wild mis reporting. No other media source Iooked at (The Forward, World Israel News, Baltimore Jewish Times, MSN) reported anything to do with burning.
They were all in line with the actual ruling (SUMRALL v. ALI_12025mc00110_Aug 4, 2025) which was about adding the hate crime multiplier onto an existing charge (in this case battery):
Although I did also find a different case which maybe confused things: Hayward man who burned Israeli flag is sentenced for hate crime. This guy did burn an Israeli flag. But the charge was due to having first stolen it. So he also got a hate crime enhancement on theft.
Not that we should be taking moral cues from people as depraved as american judges but what I am saying is that THIS SITE GOES FURTHER than even they appear to be advocating.
pings with receipts all from the original thread:
[A]: link 6, link 7My problem isn't really with the emoji itself, I was following the lead of other Jewish comrades on this site. I was pointing out the hostility of Z_poster and their obsession with the emoji and honestly go fucking look at the thread that my so called "death threat" is in the context of. I am done with this bullshit smear campaign he's had against me not just over this but for like two years at least at this point.
Fuckin wild that people are so keen to jump on me just for trying to explain that Zionism is a form of white supremacy as much or more than Jewish supremacy which is often used as an insidious way we have had literal anti-semites try to sneak their shit into this site under the guise of anti-semitism. I am so fuckin done with that specific user and their toxic and often bad faith interpretations of criticism of their takes. There is a reason they were banned before and it included DM harassment and ban evasion. If the overall consensus is to add that emoji I fucking don't care anymore just stop fucking harassing me.
As far as my so called "death threat" go look up the context in which that engagement escalated to that point and remember it was not the first time I had to play whack a mole with their ban evasion alts and prior to that I tried my damnedest to exercise restraint when dealing with them. No investigation no right to speak.
Maybe you should do some self criit and think about why people are “jumping on you” instead of doubling down