Lol.

The community decides the language

Okay, and you've admitted Lemmy as a (global) community has decided this usage of this verbiage. Problem solved, by your own metrics, this is the common usage here. Great, stop complaining then.

Both the left & right in the US use liberals in regular contexts to refer to leftists who also refer to themselves that way. Telling an educated person in the US but liberals aren’t leftists/progressives is liable to elicit an incredulous look like they’re wondering if you’re stoned or just stupid.

I get that you assert this, but that doesn't make it true. Most people pick up on the distinction, just like being told other distinctions.

It’s often claimed here that leftism & liberalism are mutually exclusive: no one can be both

Am I claiming this? Further, we all know what comparing and contrasting is. Just because there are comparisons, does not negate the contrasts.

And people are a mix of policies, no one is some purely liberal, rightwing, socialist, etc person. Policies can be grouped into various political ideologies, and people generally describe themselves as such given whatever they vibe with the most.

Read The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order - it literally addresses all of this and explains how capitalism has lead to "corporate monarchy"/"corporate fascism."

https://lemmy.world/post/34460101/18831918

Lol

You are the odd one out.

You are the very problem you describe and project.

Other online communities, especially European ones, understand this delineation.

Colloquial use vs jargon has been discussed.

Cultural is affected by the people in the culture. Communities by the people in the community.

Am I claiming this?

The line between liberalism and leftism

Gee look, I was NOT claiming that. You said people have to be either/or - never said that. Learn to read.

Again, just because you can compare similarities, does not erase the contrasts/differences. We all learned to compare and contrast in middle school. Just because apples and oranges are both round and fruits, does not mean we should make apples and oranges mean the same thing or be the same word.

Please read The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order before responding again. It literally explains why liberals should be considered rightwing. That you don't understand is a you thing. Again, by your own claims, everyone else on Lemmy gets this but you. You are the thing you are complaining about via projection.

https://lemmy.world/post/34460101/18831918

“The Rise and Fall of the Neoliberal Order: America and the World in the Free Market Era”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/05/06/how-neoliberal-order-triumphed-why-its-now-crumbling/

The neoliberal order was no exception. Despite being a project incubated in Republican circles and launched under Ronald Reagan, its full-scale consolidation occurred under the Democratic presidency of Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

Imo the neoliberal order was a response to the Civil Rights Era, a WORLDWIDE movement that gave ordinary citizens more rights and power than any other time in history. To disempower them, capitalism was weaponized to create neoliberal policies to make poor people stay poor, without capital, and thus powerless.

But it was not until Reagan that neoliberalism actively shaped the policy agenda of the federal government. Deregulation became the mantra of the decade, its most visible manifestation being the assault on collective bargaining and the further weakening of already struggling unions. Progressive taxation was contested ideologically and dismantled politically: When Reagan was elected, the income tax system was structured in 15 different brackets, with the highest reaching 70 percent; after his presidency, the country was left with just two brackets, 15 and 28 percent.

"Neoliberals,” Gerstle writes, “had long argued for the need to ringfence free markets, limiting participation to those who could handle its rigors.” Now they also embraced a religiously imbued neo-Victorian moral code, setting themselves in opposition to the permissiveness and moral relativism of the 1960s and 1970s. The race-biased mass incarceration of an “underclass” — regarded as unfit to handle those rigors — seemed to offer the ultimate solution. Liberation and repression, freedom and order, were not incompatible; in the neoliberal equation they were strictly interdependent.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/92993192-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-neoliberal-order-america-and-the-world-in-the

A political order must have the ability to shape the core ideas of political life. It must be able to do so not just for one political party’s most ardent supporters but for people located across the political spectrum. The New Deal order sold a large majority of Americans on the proposition that a strong central state could manage a dynamic but dangerous capitalist economy in the public interest. The neoliberal order persuaded a large majority of Americans that free markets would unleash capitalism from unnecessary state controls and spread prosperity and personal freedom throughout the ranks of Americans and then throughout the world. Neither of these propositions today commands the support or authority that they once possessed. Political disorder and dysfunction reign. What comes next is the most important question in the United States, and the world, now face.

Capitalism has already killed us all. https://www.ecowatch.com/planetary-boundaries-ocean-acidification-climate-science.html

Murdering the entire planet's megafauna for capital is, well, not leftist.