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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.

July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

"two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward"

August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”

September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

"we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.”"

October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

""It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve," said Harris."

Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.

These are not genocidal statements.

Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

The two State solution has always been a canard deployed by genocidiers to delay peace and prolong conflict. Israel doesn't get to have an apartheid ethnostate on stolen land, even if Palestinians get a bantustan or two.

There is only a one state solution: a multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy from the river to the sea.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

A multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy would be a bloodbath. The Israelis simply will not allow it.

See the results of the various illegal settlements:

https://theconversation.com/the-quiet-war-whats-fueling-israels-surge-of-settler-violence-and-the-lack-of-state-response-261990

"United Nations estimates indicate that Jewish settlers have carried out around 2,000 attacks against Palestinians since the war in Gaza began. That number represents a dramatic surge compared with any previous period during the nearly six decades Israel has controlled the West Bank."

It would be great if everyone could live together in peace and harmony, we can't. We are hard-wired to see things in "us" vs. "them".

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

We are not hardwired to be racist colonizers, they were programmed to be this way by decades of racist and fascist propaganda.

The fact that Israelis are racist colonizers doesn't give them the right to steal the land.

I'm not hearing a reason Israel should be allowed to exist.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm not hearing a reason Israel should be allowed to exist.

Again, showing you're totally OK with genocide so long as it's a people you don't personally like. Got it.

Israel was created as a Jewish homeland because the world decided they were owed it after an organized and dedicated extermination campaign.

Yes, it was wrong to just displace the Palestinians, but it was not wrong to give Jews a homeland after centuries of European discrimination and blood libel, culminating in the Holocaust.

p.s. We are absolutely programmed to be racist.

https://www.dw.com/en/kids-arent-born-racist-but-they-do-perceive-race-early/a-68674280

"A landmark study in 2005, for instance, showed that babies perceived differences in race and exhibited preferences for their own race as early as at 3 months of age.

In a 2017 study, children associated adults of their own race with happy music, and adults of a different one with sad music — when the kids were aged just 6 to 9 months old.

While children showed a "weak racial bias" at 7 years old, by the age of 10, their bias had become "strong and reliable" in a 2014 study. White children in that study thought that Black children of the same age would feel less pain than them if they bumped their heads or bit their own tongues."

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Again, showing you’re totally OK with genocide so long as it’s a people you don’t personally like. Got it.

This kind of false equivalence is a form of genocide denial.

Israelis being Nazis mean they get treated like Nazi Germany.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Jews can become Palestinian and live side-by-side with Palestinian Muslims and Christians, this isn't a genocidal statement.

They can keep the parts of their culture that aren't based on settlement, white supremacy, eradication, or colonization. But they have a rotten society and Israel as a country was founded on rotten ideas and it has only rotted further. It's gotta go.

This wouldn't be a instant or simple process, but it can be compared to Nazi Germany: being occupied and having their government dismantled and undergoing denazification wasn't genocide, even though Nazi Germany ceased to exist. The same can be done to Zionist Israel.

I, for one, think marching Israelis through Gaza and forcing them to see their crimes in person would change a lot of hearts and minds. Make them smell th blood and shit and rot. Then reeducation to deprogram them from their genocidal settler beliefs.

The colonial situation dehumanizes the colonized and the colonizer, but this process can be reversed.

... Or they can go back to fucking Europe.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Wow, I mean I knew you had no idea what you were talking about, but this absolutely clinches it.

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