A 22-year-old German politician who secretly served in Ukraine’s army now faces expulsion from the pro-Russian Alternative for Germany party after calling his own leadership β€œRussia-kissers.”

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[–] 46 points 1 year ago (31 children)

Who is far-left in this case? Both Orban and AfD are right wing nuts...

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  • [+] -35 points 1 year ago (30 children)

    That was only hypothetical. In that case they are all clearly far right, but in principle I guess the far left wouldn't show a different stance imho.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    What are you even talking about? The left is supportive of Ukraine.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (15 children)

    Center left maybe. Far left in many countries are not

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    That's not because they're pro Russia, but because the "far left" is anti-nationalist and both Ukraine and Russia are fighting for each their nationalist cause.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Ukraine is fighting to not be genocided.

    Russian Imperialist apologia is insane, but especially insane when it comes from so-called Leftists.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Do you think that Russia is the only one doing propaganda?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Clearly no one said that.

    Russia's genocide is well documented from multiple independent sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    So? I haven't come across any of those "multiple, indepentent sources". Care to share some of them? I'm genuinely curious. I'm about as happy to be convinced as one can be learning about a supposed ongoing genocide.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    That's great! Since you're so motivated and invested to being informed, you will find it very easy to find it yourself on the internet!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Wouldn't you know it: I already checked. Wanna know what stories I found? Slaughter of civilians? Yes. War crimes? Sure. Kidnapping of children in Ukraine? You bet. Full-blown genocide?

    ... umm, sorry to say that, but I kinda didn't find anything that convinced me that Russia wants to exterminate the Ukrainian people and their culture. There's a magnitude of scale between bombing civilians and direct measures to eradicate a people.

    Personally, I don't really think it matters on a personal level if I'm killed by Russian bombs because they shell civilian infrastructure or if I'm killed on the battlefield because the Ukrainian government drafted me (against my will) and they didn't want to give up control over Crimea, Donbasz and Donetsk.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Kidnapping children and suppression of their language IS genocide.

    The Russian state has, on multiple occasions over the years, denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians as a distinct group with a right to exist.

    This is why I don't bother. You have an agenda and you will only see what you want to see.

    I have better things to do. You want to support imperial genocide? You go right ahead.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Kidnapping children and suppression of their language IS genocide.

    I don't think it's as clear cut as e.g. the charter schools in the so-called US. These kids were in a warzone and I'd rather see them in Russian schools than casualties lying in some mass grave. It's still fucking horrible, but I still see the difference in magnitude.

    The Russian state has, on multiple occasions over the years, denied the existence of Ukraine and Ukrainians as a distinct group with a right to exist.

    Nope. Putin claimed that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians are "one people". That's not "denying the right of existence". Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Icelanders and Fins always call themselves "the Northerners" without wanting to annex each other.

    You have an agenda and you will only see what you want to see.

    Well, I could accuse you of the same.

    You want to support imperial genocide? You go right ahead.

    Now where did you get the idea that I support what Russia is doing? In the first comment you replied to I clearly stated that I condoned neither Russia nor Ukraine.

    My stance is that the territorial interests of Ukraine aren't worth all the Ukrainians that are still sent into the meatgrinder.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Blocking for genocide apologia.

    Ultimately the point is, it's not up to you nor Putin nor the Russians.

    It's up to the Ukrainians. They have spoken loud and clear about how they feel about Russia's genocide.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd like to think the far left would prosecute people for volunteering for fascist armies

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    What? Hit c/anarchism or something and ask what those guys would think of volunteering in the Ukrainian army. You might be thinking of tankies, which are one subset of the far left but not in any way a dominant one because they're also nutjobs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A large part of the German left opposes to send weapons to Ukraine, and the German party 'Die Linke' ('The Left') urges the West to open.'peace negotiations' in collaboration with China (completely ignoring that Beijing is Russia's strongest ally with apparently little interest in peace while acting increasingly aggressive against Taiwan and in the South China Sea).

    There are certainly others left and right as we can see in the article, but extremists on both sides reject democratic values.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I can't speak for the German left in general, but Die Linke absolutely supports sending weapons to Ukraine. The China thing is a very reasonable position, not unassailable but not in any way against democratic values. You seen to already have your conclusion made up, but the facts don't support it at all. Again, literally just go ask the people on c/anarchism or any other non-tankie leftwing community what they think. And to be clear, anarchists are so extremist they literally think all authority is evil; these guys are not moderates.

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