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You Don't Fix Anything By Getting Rid of Democracy and Transparency (media.piefed.ca)
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It's not fun interacting with them when they often want to engage in ad hominems. This is why I have no interest in the tankie triad.

Interviewer: You Think The Lemmy Devs Are Tankies? Joker: I Do And I'm Tired of Pretending They're Not
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[–] 7 points 1 year ago (45 children)

Honestly, I think calling what's ongoing "bullying" is kinda strange. If anything we wanted to cool the situation down.

Quotes from the thread:

The person in question is extremely rude and toxic. I have reached out to the LW admins regarding that he seems unfit to be moderating a dozen medium to larger communities. Unfortunately i didnt get any reply.

I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead

I remember his username and him being a twat

He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib

a goddam stalker

an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats

And so on. There's plenty more, that's just what I had patience to dig up.

I would rather show me which admins are more centered on what every rando on the internet thinks.

Those aren't the only two options lol. I'm just saying that "Our users/tribe love that we always take the side of our users/tribe no matter the facts of the situation!" isn't the good justification that it sounds like, when you phrase it differently than I just did.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (44 children)

    Quotes from the thread:

    Not sure which thread you mean, but If you think people expressing their low opinions about someone is "bullying", then, well you haven't experienced bullying. And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion? Like, this is a legit absurd argument path.

    Those aren't the only two options lol. I'm just saying that "Our users/tribe love that we always take the side of our users/tribe no matter the facts of the situation!"

    It's easy to look right when fighting against strawmen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (42 children)

    You just asked for examples of bullying, so I provided. What did you expect me to bring up, was someone sneaking through his window and punching him in the face? I'm not sure what other than personal insults could be meant by that. If it was bringing up examples of wrong things he did, then sure. Some people did that, some people lied about it (claiming he'd said one thing when he'd said the exact opposite), some people actively refused to provide any evidence but just threw insults at him and then peaced out. The first thing, I'd have no problem with, the others I feel like are worth worrying about at least a little bit.

    And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?

    I want you to stop protecting the people you like from public opinion. I'm completely fine with everyone just being able to have their say, although maybe certain levels of personal abuse shouldn't be tolerated. But it's very clearly one-sided. The dbzer0 people have been describing downvoting as "abuse," so yes, I would say aiming extensive cursing and personal insults at someone and accusing them of things they didn't do can be "bullying," or at least something that's worthy of mods weighing in on it, like they would pounce instantly if someone said something about Sam Altman or something.

    Edit: Actually, maybe a better way to explain it: Go back to every one of the quotes I listed about PugJesus. If people came into a dbzer0 thread and said the exact same types of things about Ada, would that be okay? Or would it be a problem that required mod / admin attention?

    That's what bugs me about it, it's the blatant tribalism of it. You permabanned a trans person just recently because they tried (again, for the thousandth time) to explain what the issue was with Dragonrider, and you didn't like that, so ban for "pissy." They're not in the club, so fuck them. Everyone got all up in arms about ban reason "tankie," but you're fine with a comment being removed for the reason "shut the fuck up, liberal" (I actually 100% agree with removing the actual underlying comment -- my point is that the slurs are starting to be celebrated, and only go one way, and that's not a good thing.)

    One of your people has just recently invented a new slur ("slopper") to use to attack people they disagree with as they are being banned. I have no idea the context or what it means, although I can guess.

    You get the idea. I don't want to go back and forth about extensively. I have no idea how much of this is you, or the admin team, or whoever. I actually think probably most of what I see as most worrying is not coming from the admin team. But the culture shift is alarming to me. It's all about attack, slurs, new fun insults. We need to protect "our users" against downvotes. Other users, on other instances, who got rando-banned, well, fuck them, they're not "ours," so who cares.

    You get the idea. Maybe not. Anyway, that's what I think about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (39 children)

    Why yes, we do tolerate people badmouthing Ada, dessalines, nutomic, and even our own admins. Hell I've personally tolerated dozens of angry hexbears trying to bully myself in my own thread in my own comm. We do indeed walk the walk.

    There's no "tribalism" here, no matter how much you keep repeating it. In all honestly it reads to me you're more upset people are not sufficiently polite in disagreement. Anarchists can and will be rude, especially towards people like PJ routinely but politely calling them "nazis" for not engaging in the electoralism farce. Nobody is under any onus to remain polite to spare your feelings, nor does this make is a "tribe" because we tend to attract anarchists who feel the same way about liberals.

    Fuck I don't even know at this point what your problem even is, that we attract like-minded people in our instance? We don't want to be lemmy.world for a reason and if you want that, well lemmy.world already exists.

    Seriously, We're not going to go around policing people for rudeness. This is absurd and will not work whatsoever.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (38 children)

    Seriously, We're not going to go around policing people for rudeness. This is absurd and will not work whatsoever.

    Absolutely, you should not. People should be able to say what they want, if that somehow wasn't clear. What I was saying was that it's very silly to ban people for criticizing your decisions in clear and rational language[1], or for their politics, or for very tenuous claims of "ableism" if you just kind of don't like the content of what they have to say[2], or to call downvotes "abuse" and try to protect certain ones of your communities against getting downvotes by literally banning anyone who tries to give one to the content... but then, when the target is outside the kid-gloves safe space, turn loose this massive drama-cannon with wild insults and accusations and say "Yes! All good, our admins will join in in fact!" and then now hide behind this thing of "Oh ho that's just the wild west of the ol' internet for ya, free speech ya know" that you would never put up with if someone tried to, for example, give YOU a downvote or a dissenting comment[3], because that's abusive and they're a troll now.

    This whole thing originated because you've been slinging around bans for people who don't get with the program you want them to get with or say things to you that you don't like. I didn't come to you whining to ask you to stop anyone being mean to me, I actually got involved because you wanted PugJesus to stop being mean to your comments and posts because he's not allowed. I'm much more in favor of people being able to have their say, I mostly object to the banhammering side, I'm just now poking at the hypocrisy of it.

    Up to you though. You've clearly decided, I'm just repeating at this point, so cheers I guess.

    1. SoftestSapphic from https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/961853 (also snoogums)
    2. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/20015605, they said "shizo" FWIW, telling enemies they have psychological disorders is fine though
    3. Same modlog link, search for "not up for debate"
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Ok basically your argument devolves to misrepresenting and trivializing why we took any admin actions. I think you're being massively disingenuous and not worth it discussing with at this point, but I'll repeat, if our instance members think we're as hypocritical as you do, they're welcome to open the relevant governance posts and reign us in. It won't happen, cause we aren't of course.

    Anyway I won't bother with this thread anymore. I have no patience for people who misrepresent the facts quite that much just to win internet arguments.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (35 children)

    SoftestSapphic from https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/961853 (also snoogums)

    You probably are not aware, but that user is known to be toxic. A lot of the mod action reasons are "be respectful" or "civility"

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=18071443

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (34 children)

    Not sure which thread you mean, but If you think people expressing their low opinions about someone is "bullying", then, well you haven't experienced bullying. And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion? Like, this is a legit absurd argument path.

    -db0

    Sounds like she "expressed some low opinions" of dbzer0, and it all of a sudden wasn't so absurd an argument path, and turned into a big deal.

    I agree with db0 that this argument has pretty much been and done at this point, but yes this is just more "in-group vs out-group" stuff.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (33 children)

    Edit: Also, there's a difference between expressing low opinions about someone and directly insulting them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (32 children)

    SoftestSapphic is trans. She was upset about a troll coming into her community and making fun of her identity in a particularly cruel way (likening it to fantasy creatures or a kids' game or something), and then further upset by the mods of blahaj defending the troll and banning people who criticized them. That's why she's angry about it. Honestly, I don't blame her, it makes perfect sense to me.

    Ada said that she defended Dragonrider for quite a long time even after people started telling her they were encouraging people to self-harm and other objectively horrible behavior, because she felt bad because they were getting "harassed." Of course, when they did something much more minor to Ada, she suddenly felt they were toxic and had to go.

    I don't want to have this whole ridiculous debate again. I feel stupid even touching on it to this extent, I just wanted to give you that relevant context. You're literally celebrating the dbzer0 admins for banning a trans person for trying to voice her objection to the performative and stupid way that trans issues are handled in some segments of Lemmy. In my world, she should be allowed to say that. In yours and dbzer0's, apparently she should not, because db0 is the arbiter of whether trans issues are being handled correctly, and she is not, and she needs to obey their instructions for what she can and can't speak up on.

    Also, the "low opinions" db0 is talking about there were:

    I think he’s an obnoxious dickhead

    I remember his username and him being a twat

    He’s a genocide-supporting Zionist radlib

    a goddam stalker

    an angry turbolib who blames the left (and Eugene in particular, for some reason) for the pathetic failure of the corporate-c**k-sucking Democrats

    Do you think those are direct personal insults, which should be handled differently than for example criticism of an instance's policies or for someone's specific actions? Good! So do I. Because db0 apparently has some six inch thick rose-colored glasses that get applied to any action that is done by "our good people," though, they are just "low opinions."

    Honestly I thought you were smart and well-meaning, just kind of focused on growth of the community and creating positive things. The more I am looking into how dbzer0 does things, the more I think lumping them in with the tankie instances with their admin behavior fits pretty well, and I have no idea why you're bending over backwards so far to defend them.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    I don’t want to have this whole ridiculous debate again. I feel stupid even touching on it to this extent, I just wanted to give you that relevant context. You’re literally celebrating the dbzer0 admins for banning a trans person for trying to voice her objection to the performative and stupid way that trans issues are handled in some segments of Lemmy. In my world, she should be allowed to say that. In yours and dbzer0’s, apparently she should not, because db0 is the arbiter of whether trans issues are being handled correctly, and she is not, and she needs to obey their instructions for what she can and can’t speak up on.

    The majority of the users of Blahaj are trans too.

    I remember his username and him being a twat

    PJ himself admitted that being correct

    I mean tbf both of those are at least true

    https://lemmy.world/comment/18435763

    On top of that, the community is called !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, having this kind of statements regarding the reported power tripping mod is as old as the community.

    When you look at the recent thread about JordanLund (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338), you see things like

    It’s been a couple of weeks since @jordanlund@lemmy.world was in here defending genocide. I almost missed the ugly fucking zio. Automatic PTB for anything he touches with his scummy little fingers.

    You commented below it without seeing any issue.

    I’ll happily advocate for the Palestinians’ rights to kill as many of the IDF as they can manage. It won’t solve their problems, but they’ve got every right to do it, and nothing else that I can see will solve any of their problems other than better leadership in the US.

    I think you’ve probably understood me pretty well, what you decide about me is up to you just like it is for everyone else.

    Don’t go to lemmy.world, it’s a silly place, for this among some other reasons.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48096338/19830549

    What has changed since then?

    Honestly I thought you were smart and well-meaning, just kind of focused on growth of the community and creating positive things. The more I am looking into how dbzer0 does things, the more I think lumping them in with the tankie instances with their admin behavior fits pretty well, and I have no idea why you’re bending over backwards so far to defend them.

    As I mentioned in a previous comment you never replied to (https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49728632/20305246)

    I'm am going to be honest with you, I didn't expect you to make this kind of comments

    Cool! Now accuse him of caring way too much about politics, and getting in heated debates about it like a LOSER, speaking as you are from your lemmy.ml address. That’ll make perfect sense too.

    Also, not sure why it’s not okay for dbzer0 to have a “our users” stance while you broadly categorize all .ml users as “losers”

    You are scrutinizing all dbzer0 mod actions to put them in the worst way possible, while nothing is new:

    • YPTB has always had some aggressive comments towards the reported power tripper
    • The dbzer0 stance on the drag matter is known, nothing new here
    • the pro / anti AI seems to be dbzer0 mods banning people who downvote their content on their communities, seems quite common across the platform

    If !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com seems too oriented for you, feel free to reanimate !modabuse@lemmy.sdf.org or create another community. That would be interesting, to be honest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (29 children)
    • I strongly object to silencing trans voices on trans issues, even if there are other trans people who feel differently or even if they are okay with the silence. People are tribal, cis or trans, and of course there is a self-selection effect, where people on blahaj are in favor of the blahaj administration for the same reason people on lemmy.ml or Hexbear are in favor of their instances' administration
    • The 196 mods were clearly wrong. I took Ada's side, to the extent I cared about that whole thing, just because I'm in general opposed to the "boss"es of whatever environment telling the users what to do. It sounds like Ada was doing the bulk of the moderation, anyway, and the mods were just there to give orders but shirking the actual work involved.
    • I definitely wasn't in favor of shitting on JordanLund in that way. I don't even like Jordan, but the consistent effort to paint him as a Zionist (along with me, FlyingSquid, PugJesus, and more or less anyone who is opposed to a certain noisy contingent of users) and the wild gross personal attacks are not at all something I am in favor of. I think you can probably find me standing up for him against some similar abuse if you look further back, maybe not, but in that individual message I mostly just kind of didn't want to get involved in it and wanted to clarify my Israel stance and peace out. Look and see if you can find me calling someone a "twat" in anger, or talking about their grubby sticky fingers, anything like that, instead of just it being in a message I'm responding to. You might be able to, but as much as I can manage, I try to get heated about issues and events and not about people's personal characteristics.
    • I didn't respond to your message just because it was long and it was going to take some doing to look up all the links and unpack it all, and I'd already done what I thought about things more or less to death. If you really want me to, I can go back and take a look, I'm not trying to ignore it but it was a long argument with a lot of repetition anyway so hopefully it's understandable. What the hell, I'll take a look later today I think.
    • I wasn't implying people who care about politics on whatever side are losers. I was saying that people are accusing PugJesus of being a loser because he cares and argues about politics, and lemmy.ml is the glassiest of glass houses as far as that accusation.
    • I had no real problem with dbzer0 up until a couple of days ago, I actually generally liked their instance because it seemed sensible. Some of the mods' politics I don't agree with but that is par for the course and normal. Now having observed some of their decisions at close range I don't feel that way. I did think about "migrating" to some other place for the topics I care about that have communities like YPTB on dbzer0, but just like in the 196 case, it doesn't really work entirely that way, and anyway if they continue to let me say what I want to say in YPTB, I probably won't really care beyond just voicing my opinion on it all.
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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (28 children)

    I wasn’t implying people who care about politics on whatever side are losers. I was saying that people are accusing PugJesus of being a loser because he cares and argues about politics, and lemmy.ml is the glassiest of glass houses as far as that accusation.

    Ok, that makes more sense.

    I did think about “migrating” to some other place for the topics I care about that have communities like YPTB on dbzer0, but just like in the 196 case, it doesn’t really work entirely that way, and anyway if they continue to let me say what I want to say in YPTB, I probably won’t really care beyond just voicing my opinion on it all.

    It's up to you. I think it would be good to have another !yptb community that's not satire or a one person creation.

    You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (27 children)

    You could potentially enforce more respectful discussions there.

    I actually lean more towards the side of "let the people talk." Some direct personal insults I feel like are maybe worth keeping away (I read this comment and was going to voice my agreement but then when I got to the "moron" part that instantly made me conclude, welp buddy, that's not productive). Mostly though I think the main asset of an alternative mod feedback community is that the dbzer0 admins are fine doing deletions and bans from YPTB for various reasons including "trying to stir up instance drama over our genAI policies, which are not up for debate." UP-FOR-DEBATING THE POLICIES IS LITERALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMUNITY. But, as soon as someone comes into it and disagrees with the dbzer0 admins on some issue, they often decide it is some particular category of not allowed debate, and ban the person.

    There are some other examples on that page that to me are equally stupid, but that one takes the cake to me. If I were to make a competing YPTB community, I think that's the most important rule I would change, personal attacks being allowed or not is a lot less crucial than that to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (26 children)

    This is a direct consequence of having that community part of dbzer0.

    A community is still subject to the rules of the instance hosting it.

    A potential alternative would be to have the alternative community on an instance with a very few rules, but there's none that I know of at the moment.

    Israel, drag, AI, every topic would still come up in the comments of a new community, and the mods of that new community would probably have to take a stance on those, or just see endless slapfights in the comments

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (25 children)

    An instance whose rules include "the rules are not up for debate" has no business hosting a community for critique of moderation. I would actually expand that to say that it's pretty silly to have that rule in the first place, regardless of what communities you're hosting, but it does seem to be a pretty popular viewpoint here for some reason. I'm legitimately surprised to hear it from an instance that's described as anarchist. The .ml instances are at least more open with their political alignments and then consistent with them in their moderation in practice.

    Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds, I guess, lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I understand why an instance staff wouldn't want to have posts questioning instance guidelines every week.

    Interestingly enough, in the case of anti AI bans, that topic was discussed on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/49185248?scrollToComments=true , and it seems like both the mod and the person iniating the request found a way

    So no, it's not really "Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    We're just not going to see eye to eye on this stuff lol

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Probably x)

    Edit: just because you care about trans people

    In addition to simply brigading my communities I have had people harass me in DMs, make death threats towards me, and make fun of me for being a recovering alcoholic. I’ve had these people deny my gender identity, claim I’m a woman, deliberately use the wrong pronouns, and even one person impersonating me while acting like a pig. Really vile stuff.

    In short these are not knee jerk reactions, the vast majority of the bans I cast are for good reasons, and while I have made mistakes on occasion, the majority of these bans are correct, and I don’t believe we should be forced to allow known problematic users to hurt our communities just because they haven’t left comments there yet.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    Scratch an anarchist and an authoritarian bleeds, I guess, lol

    Literally this entire instance. Don't get me wrong there are worse places out there but its basically Lord of the Flies up in this place. I am very sure nobody in charge is over the age of 21.

    I am actually not like you and I left this instance months ago because I wanted more moderation but it's clear these "anarchists" are ok with harassment and sexism as long as it is targeted towards who they perceive to be enemies. They have zero consistency in applying their "rules" and they hide behind "anarchism" to justify the same childish behavior they criticize other instances of doing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Where's the receipts?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

    Literally this entire instance. Don't get me wrong there are worse places out there but its basically Lord of the Flies up in this place. I am very sure nobody in charge is over the age of 21.

    Yeah. 100%. Well... there are plenty of 18-year-olds running around the world whose chronological age is a lot older. But yes. It actually mostly doesn't read to me as malicious from this instance, it just feels like people who have never experienced being in a collaborative circumstance where they have to get along with people who they don't see eye to eye with or have real friction with and they have to cope with it. Or they have never been in some kind of environment where one person is "in charge" but also has to earn respect of people. Like their whole concept is "I've got the mod buttons, you do not, so shut the fuck up, this is what's what" and they've never experienced the aftermath when you do that to people who have ability to push back in turn.

    I mean at the end of the day it's just a stupid web site, but yes in my opinion being able to have these communication tools and have them function well is important. Maybe I'm the weird one. I do think it matters.

    these "anarchists" are ok with harassment and sexism as long as it is targeted towards who they perceive to be enemies. They have zero consistency in applying their "rules" and they hide behind "anarchism" to justify the same childish behavior they criticize other instances of doing.

    Also absolutely. 100%. Them laughing at SoftestSapphic when she's trying to give some pretty pointed feedback on treatment of trans issues, and then banning her for being "pissy" / "shitty" because of it, really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn't like that at all. And then yes the hypocrisy of doing that while flopping around like a soccer player moaning about "abuse" because people gave downvotes to some of their precious content, is just extra icing on the bratty-adolescent cake.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Also absolutely. 100%. Them laughing at SoftestSapphic when she’s trying to give some pretty pointed feedback on treatment of trans issues, and then banning her for being “pissy” / “shitty” because of it, really rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like that at all. And then yes the hypocrisy of doing that while flopping around like a soccer player moaning about “abuse” because people downvoted some of their precious content, is just extra icing on the bratty-adolescent cake.

    And you making that comment using that tone is contributing to the flamewar

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I stand by my mod actions on SoftestSapphic. Folks can make their own assessment without having to suffer through your opinion.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    "And also, what the hell do you expect of dbzer0 admins to do about people expressing such opinions? You want us to go around protecting the people you like from public opinion?"

    -db0

    (Emphasis mine)

    (IDK why I'm continuing at this point, I'll probably stop after this in case you want the last word. Both sides of the argument have had plenty of airing, and yes I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    I think the modlogs 100% speak for themselves

    It all goes down to the drag issue in the end.

    Either you think neopronouns are a right (Blahaj, dbzer0) and cannot be removed under any pretext.

    Either you think neopronouns can be considered trolling under certain circumstances (LW apparently?)

    By the way, you said in a previous comment (https://quokk.au/comment/661634)

    Pretending that being trans is equivalent to being a dragon (along with things like encouraging other users to self-harm, because of course this person did, because they are a troll and trying to be cruel to trans people) was the issue.

    Drag got banned when drag encouraged people to self harm. The neopronoun thing was a separate matter (see above)

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Exactly this. Xenopronouns are just as valid as any other pronoun. PJ and Philip seem to be mostly ok with "traditional" (lol) trans pronouns like "xir/xe" or "they/them" so they think they are good trans allies. But they are only allies to certain types of "mainstream" trans folks. Because everything has to be mainstream before a Democrat will ever consider supporting it, in my experience. The moment the pronouns get "too weird" they all start freaking out. Xenopronouns? Forget about it! I've even seen it argued that xenopronouns are anti-trans (somehow)? Who knows, but it seems there's a bunch of LW folks who seem to be that its fine to hate on folks who use them.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    he

    NOW YOU'VE DONE IT

    Kidding.

    On the substance, I'm just going to refer you to my previous answer, in which I pointed out that me reiterating how precisely I don't agree with what you just said will accomplish nothing at all (and, apparently, it did not.)

    The only thing I will add is that the troll was not banned when they encouraged people to self harm. Ada actively refused to ban them for that, and then later, when they shared personal correspondence of Ada's without permission, that was a sin sufficient to justify a ban.

    Citation: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/23453948/13537569, search for "sharing of private messages".

    I cannot believe you are continuing to succeed in getting me to argue about this topic.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I edited the pronoun.

    Thanks for the citation.

    Even if Ada made a mistake (not banning drag soon enough), the conclusion is still the same: the decision of dbzer0 to keep that stance (neopronouns aren't debatable) is theirs, and if you willingly start to attack that stance, you're going to get actioned upon.

    On top of that SoftestSaphic seems to be incorrect

    Most of what you are saying is a lie? No one was saying the attack helicopter or litterbox stuff, nor were we defending trolls. What we said is use neopronouns when requested, and report trolls as usual. Refer to people as they ask or ignore them, don’t feed trolls if you think someone is a troll.

    People kept engaging with the trolls rather than doing what we asked.

    Honestly, people have no idea how to engage with trolling these days (don’t).

    https://sopuli.xyz/post/30807847/17981886

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Dude I am blocking you. Continuing to pretend that neopronouns are the issue, and a perfect shield for anything dbzer0 wants to do, when they never were and it was instead things like trolling the whole concept of transgenderism and encouraging other users to suicide that was the issue, when no one copping these bans was refusing to use anyone's pronoun neo- or otherwise at any point that I'm aware of, is just pissing me off, and I already addressed it not just once but several times, directly to you, and brought your awareness to the fact that you didn't seem to be picking up on it.

    I'm taking your advice. Talk to someone else. Honestly, it's rare that I get actually irritated when talking to someone on the internet, so congratulations. Go back and reread my earlier messages, if you start to feel that you need to hear any more of my opinion on this.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am blocking you

    me too, please

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