Is just the same as lemmy? What makes it different? Is it similar to kbin? Why is it meant to be better according so some people?

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[–] 75 points 1 year ago (10 children)

https://join.piefed.social/features/

Differences between Lemmy and PieFed

  • Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default.
  • Communities are organized into topics. See https://piefed.social/topics.
  • Image-heavy communities can have a tiled/masonry view, like https://piefed.social/c/pics@lemmy.world
  • People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.
  • Hide all posts based on keyword filters.
  • Keyboard shortcuts.
  • Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.
  • Better UI design (somewhat subjective!)
  • Improved hotness ranking algorithm (subjective)
  • Voting is private.
  • See also features for healthy communities.
  • Each community has it’s own wiki. Demo
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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)
    • Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.

    Is this self-designated?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No, admins designate it.

    Most instances do not use this feature, afaik. piefed.social does but most of the others do not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    In the code there is a function that recognizes if the name of the community contains "meme" and if so does not add the upvote to the vote counter of the user

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think either way could possibly be exploited.

    And putting all that aside, I think all image-centric subs should probably be included. It’s just as easy to farm karma with cute cats and flowers as it is with memes.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Excluding OC communities, right? Like you're not discounting people who put a lot of time and effort into their photography? Or even if they're not great photographers sharing pictures of their plants and gardens and hobbies, and pets, should have the same allowances as text only posts

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is a great comment; my initial reaction was “No because it would be easy to claim others OC was your own” but then the same could be said about text or link contributions.

    Then I thought “well maybe reputation should only be based on comments” but that could be unfair to those who primarily post vs comment.

    So now I don’t know what my position is. The best method is probably a blend of multiple strategies that can only be determined by engaging with the enemy.

    tl;dr: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I appreciate this!

    Generally oc forward subs are very stringent about it truly being OC and if caught posting something that isn't theirs will face consequences

    Blurry pics of a cat's right up on the lens is low effort. Any pictures you see posted in a place like https://lemmy.world/c/astrophotography will not be low effort because those are removed. They also require the submissions to be OC

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Comments with -10 score are collapsed by default. Voting is private.

    I don't particularly care for these two items. I used to think user-curation was a good thing, but comparing Lemmy to Reddit, I have to say I no longer feel that way. Voting matters less on Lemmy and I think it's better for it, all things considered.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hide all posts based on keyword filters.

    I'm very interested in this. I'm kinda stunned that lemmy doesn't do this natively.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How exactly does the private vote thing work? I thought votes being federated was inherent to the way the fediverse is designed.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I believe piefed creates fake accounts to do the voting so it doesn't federate the actual account that cast the vote.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's how it used to work but I got rid of it because there were too many unintended side-effects. Now a private vote is just one that is not federated.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What were the side-effects? I was thinking of implementing something that doesn't directly federate votes, so it would be good to know what problems I'd need to solve before that can be done.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Some admins really love watching who votes for what and banning people based on that.

    You can disagree with that if you like but if it means they get pissed enough to defederate your whole instance, you lose.

    If your instance is just you and a handful of others, no one will notice or care. But once you have 1000 users the amount of anonymous votes will be noticed and there will be consequences. Maybe not defederation but everyone banned for upvoting bigoted content or vote manipulation will migrate to your instance and you'll be hosting the biggest shitbirds around.

    I don't see a solution to this. As long as admins snoop on people's votes that will be the dynamic and PieFed puts itself at a disadvantage by doing anything different.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People who get downvoted a lot end up with a ‘low reputation’ indicator next to their name. You’ll know it when you see it.

    Upvotes in meme communities do not add to reputation.

    I think any kind of reputation score should be community specific. There are users whose commenting style fits one community but not another, and their overall reputation should be understood in the context of which communities actually like them rather than some kind of global average.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Id say I say some controversial things yet I still somehow on average go positive karma wise, you have to be straight up hateful and ignorant on purpose to go negative imo

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm not able to see any content behind those links or even the root site of https://piefed.social/ without what looks like creating an account and logging in. Is account creation and login required to interact with piefed at all? No anonymous reading?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Gotcha. That's a non-starter for me then. I hope I'm not the intended audience for piefed. I never visit Facebook pages for the same reason.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I could be entirely wrong, but that's what it looks like, yeah.
    Absolutely hate registration walls as well.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    "I just want to see what's there"

    "Make an account first."

    "Is it worth making an account?"

    "Make an account and find out" "Oh you must provide a valid email to verify" "Surprise fucker its spam forever"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    You could check out another instance, for example https://feddit.online/ , which is visible without signing in.

    Piefed.social used to be open for all, but I suspect it needed to be restricted due to AI scrapers. Not sure exactly what the reasoning is though.

    You can find a list of instances here: https://fedidb.com/software/piefed

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I don't like the fact that users receive a banner next to their name if they get downvoted a lot. This makes other people judge negatively the comment even before reading it. I think it also encourages people to keep downvoting and discourages to upvote (as what happens with mass down votes of a comment on Reddit just for the sake of doing so).

    Edit: sorry for my English, it's not my native language + I just woke up

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