▲ 175 ▼ Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees? (lemmy.world) submitted 1 year ago by Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 263 comments fedilink hide all child comments Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 year ago (2 children) Honestly lots of Western Europe, but personally: Iceland, Germany, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, etc. Objectively places like Spain, Portugal, Malta, etc. would work. I have no delusions of ever making it as an immigrant in any of these countries. You need a lot of money. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* Or have a MD with a specialist or a scientist with a in demand field that is. But I suspect doctorate levels people are quite far and few between, which is why Europe is even entertaining them. They don't want BS, or MS holders there's too many of them and they are the ones in the most need for a career or jobs, because usa have very low prospects, even before trumps attack on stem funding. permalink fedilink source parent [+] toofpic@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago (4 children) No, you need to find some job and rent a room As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Without that right, it would be a different story permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Nope. Absolutely none of those appear to allow working with just a US passport. Without that right, it would be a different story ... Because I think it is. But, to be fair, I only did a little searching. If you have a reference - like a page from the gov of Denmark saying "Yanks are cool: come in and get to work" - I'd love to be proved wrong. My nephew needs to see the world, and working is how it's done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I also checked and I was wrong. Not needing an entry visa is nice, but in order to work legally, one needs to find a job before (or there are talent pathways in some countries, but they would work for most other countries). I am just one of the "non-EU" (and non-US of that matters) people, whom Denmark doesn't like to have, but I'm still living there waiting for my perm residence. It's always easier to think: "aah, other people have it better!" :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. No you don't, you need a visa to be able to work here, depending on your area of expertise companies might sponsor your visa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I suspect most of the fields are stem or at least niche permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, from some experience even on those fields you sort of need to proof that you tried to find someone in your own country and couldn't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, but finding a job and housing in most of the places I listed is quite challenging, often even for citizens of those countries, but especially immigrants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Checked and found that US citizens don't have inherent right to work in EU - it's only easier to travel, not to settle down. And speaking of renting - it really depends. If we're talking about Copenhagen, it is expensive, the market is broken (thanks AirBnb), and it's really hard and expensive to move in. I burned through my savings and owed some money to my employer before I could invite the rest of my family into a freshly-rented apartment. But if we're talking about "a bed under a roof", it's super easy to find a room on FB Marketplace, and live with a couple of other internationals. So if it's just about "getting out of US" (crazy, I never thought it would be a thing, I'm sorry for them), then finding work is a must, but in a big city you usually can find something. It's only hard to find something nice and permanent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) yes, permanent employment that allows you to stay in the country is a must. As a trans person in the US, it's been difficult to know whether to give up my career and whole life for basically constant instability and risk living as an immigrant in another country, especially when trans rights are getting stripped everywhere else too. Getting trans healthcare in Europe is not always such a breeze even for citizens. Still, I appreciate your optimism and willingness to see the possibilities- that's important to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago That is not as easy as it sounds, it would be the same situation for immigrants going to the USA as they would if they try any European country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* Or have a MD with a specialist or a scientist with a in demand field that is. But I suspect doctorate levels people are quite far and few between, which is why Europe is even entertaining them. They don't want BS, or MS holders there's too many of them and they are the ones in the most need for a career or jobs, because usa have very low prospects, even before trumps attack on stem funding. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] toofpic@lemmy.world -16 points 1 year ago (4 children) No, you need to find some job and rent a room As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Without that right, it would be a different story permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Nope. Absolutely none of those appear to allow working with just a US passport. Without that right, it would be a different story ... Because I think it is. But, to be fair, I only did a little searching. If you have a reference - like a page from the gov of Denmark saying "Yanks are cool: come in and get to work" - I'd love to be proved wrong. My nephew needs to see the world, and working is how it's done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I also checked and I was wrong. Not needing an entry visa is nice, but in order to work legally, one needs to find a job before (or there are talent pathways in some countries, but they would work for most other countries). I am just one of the "non-EU" (and non-US of that matters) people, whom Denmark doesn't like to have, but I'm still living there waiting for my perm residence. It's always easier to think: "aah, other people have it better!" :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. No you don't, you need a visa to be able to work here, depending on your area of expertise companies might sponsor your visa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I suspect most of the fields are stem or at least niche permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, from some experience even on those fields you sort of need to proof that you tried to find someone in your own country and couldn't find one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, but finding a job and housing in most of the places I listed is quite challenging, often even for citizens of those countries, but especially immigrants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Checked and found that US citizens don't have inherent right to work in EU - it's only easier to travel, not to settle down. And speaking of renting - it really depends. If we're talking about Copenhagen, it is expensive, the market is broken (thanks AirBnb), and it's really hard and expensive to move in. I burned through my savings and owed some money to my employer before I could invite the rest of my family into a freshly-rented apartment. But if we're talking about "a bed under a roof", it's super easy to find a room on FB Marketplace, and live with a couple of other internationals. So if it's just about "getting out of US" (crazy, I never thought it would be a thing, I'm sorry for them), then finding work is a must, but in a big city you usually can find something. It's only hard to find something nice and permanent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) yes, permanent employment that allows you to stay in the country is a must. As a trans person in the US, it's been difficult to know whether to give up my career and whole life for basically constant instability and risk living as an immigrant in another country, especially when trans rights are getting stripped everywhere else too. Getting trans healthcare in Europe is not always such a breeze even for citizens. Still, I appreciate your optimism and willingness to see the possibilities- that's important to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago That is not as easy as it sounds, it would be the same situation for immigrants going to the USA as they would if they try any European country permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Nope. Absolutely none of those appear to allow working with just a US passport. Without that right, it would be a different story ... Because I think it is. But, to be fair, I only did a little searching. If you have a reference - like a page from the gov of Denmark saying "Yanks are cool: come in and get to work" - I'd love to be proved wrong. My nephew needs to see the world, and working is how it's done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I also checked and I was wrong. Not needing an entry visa is nice, but in order to work legally, one needs to find a job before (or there are talent pathways in some countries, but they would work for most other countries). I am just one of the "non-EU" (and non-US of that matters) people, whom Denmark doesn't like to have, but I'm still living there waiting for my perm residence. It's always easier to think: "aah, other people have it better!" :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Yeah, I also checked and I was wrong. Not needing an entry visa is nice, but in order to work legally, one needs to find a job before (or there are talent pathways in some countries, but they would work for most other countries). I am just one of the "non-EU" (and non-US of that matters) people, whom Denmark doesn't like to have, but I'm still living there waiting for my perm residence. It's always easier to think: "aah, other people have it better!" :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 child) As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. No you don't, you need a visa to be able to work here, depending on your area of expertise companies might sponsor your visa. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I suspect most of the fields are stem or at least niche permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, from some experience even on those fields you sort of need to proof that you tried to find someone in your own country and couldn't find one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) I suspect most of the fields are stem or at least niche permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, from some experience even on those fields you sort of need to proof that you tried to find someone in your own country and couldn't find one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago Yes, from some experience even on those fields you sort of need to proof that you tried to find someone in your own country and couldn't find one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago (1 child) Sure, but finding a job and housing in most of the places I listed is quite challenging, often even for citizens of those countries, but especially immigrants. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Checked and found that US citizens don't have inherent right to work in EU - it's only easier to travel, not to settle down. And speaking of renting - it really depends. If we're talking about Copenhagen, it is expensive, the market is broken (thanks AirBnb), and it's really hard and expensive to move in. I burned through my savings and owed some money to my employer before I could invite the rest of my family into a freshly-rented apartment. But if we're talking about "a bed under a roof", it's super easy to find a room on FB Marketplace, and live with a couple of other internationals. So if it's just about "getting out of US" (crazy, I never thought it would be a thing, I'm sorry for them), then finding work is a must, but in a big city you usually can find something. It's only hard to find something nice and permanent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) yes, permanent employment that allows you to stay in the country is a must. As a trans person in the US, it's been difficult to know whether to give up my career and whole life for basically constant instability and risk living as an immigrant in another country, especially when trans rights are getting stripped everywhere else too. Getting trans healthcare in Europe is not always such a breeze even for citizens. Still, I appreciate your optimism and willingness to see the possibilities- that's important to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Checked and found that US citizens don't have inherent right to work in EU - it's only easier to travel, not to settle down. And speaking of renting - it really depends. If we're talking about Copenhagen, it is expensive, the market is broken (thanks AirBnb), and it's really hard and expensive to move in. I burned through my savings and owed some money to my employer before I could invite the rest of my family into a freshly-rented apartment. But if we're talking about "a bed under a roof", it's super easy to find a room on FB Marketplace, and live with a couple of other internationals. So if it's just about "getting out of US" (crazy, I never thought it would be a thing, I'm sorry for them), then finding work is a must, but in a big city you usually can find something. It's only hard to find something nice and permanent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) yes, permanent employment that allows you to stay in the country is a must. As a trans person in the US, it's been difficult to know whether to give up my career and whole life for basically constant instability and risk living as an immigrant in another country, especially when trans rights are getting stripped everywhere else too. Getting trans healthcare in Europe is not always such a breeze even for citizens. Still, I appreciate your optimism and willingness to see the possibilities- that's important to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) yes, permanent employment that allows you to stay in the country is a must. As a trans person in the US, it's been difficult to know whether to give up my career and whole life for basically constant instability and risk living as an immigrant in another country, especially when trans rights are getting stripped everywhere else too. Getting trans healthcare in Europe is not always such a breeze even for citizens. Still, I appreciate your optimism and willingness to see the possibilities- that's important to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 child) Denmark is fine for trans - nobody cares who you are, in a way that you have the same rights. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* right, but when comparing my chances of economic survival, somewhere like Prague seems even more likely to work than Denmark just from a job market competition perspective, and Prague seems equally "idgaf" in attitude towards trans people (not that this kind of tolerance is the same as acceptance, non-discrimination, or integration) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago That is not as easy as it sounds, it would be the same situation for immigrants going to the USA as they would if they try any European country permalink fedilink source parent