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We are constantly fed a version of AI that looks, sounds and acts suspiciously like us. It speaks in polished sentences, mimics emotions, expresses curiosity, claims to feel compassion, even dabbles in what it calls creativity.

But what we call AI today is nothing more than a statistical machine: a digital parrot regurgitating patterns mined from oceans of human data (the situation hasn’t changed much since it was discussed here five years ago). When it writes an answer to a question, it literally just guesses which letter and word will come next in a sequence – based on the data it’s been trained on.

This means AI has no understanding. No consciousness. No knowledge in any real, human sense. Just pure probability-driven, engineered brilliance — nothing more, and nothing less.

So why is a real “thinking” AI likely impossible? Because it’s bodiless. It has no senses, no flesh, no nerves, no pain, no pleasure. It doesn’t hunger, desire or fear. And because there is no cognition — not a shred — there’s a fundamental gap between the data it consumes (data born out of human feelings and experience) and what it can do with them.

Philosopher David Chalmers calls the mysterious mechanism underlying the relationship between our physical body and consciousness the “hard problem of consciousness”. Eminent scientists have recently hypothesised that consciousness actually emerges from the integration of internal, mental states with sensory representations (such as changes in heart rate, sweating and much more).

Given the paramount importance of the human senses and emotion for consciousness to “happen”, there is a profound and probably irreconcilable disconnect between general AI, the machine, and consciousness, a human phenomenon.

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[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

Philosophers are so desperate for humans to be special. How is outputting things based on things it has learned any different to what humans do?

We observe things, we learn things and when required we do or say things based on the things we observed and learned. That's exactly what the AI is doing.

I don't think we have achieved "AGI" but I do think this argument is stupid.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Most people, evidently including you, can only ever recycle old ideas. Like modern "AI". Some of us can concieve new ideas.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

What new idea exactly are you proposing?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

Wdym? That depends on what I'm working on. For pressing issues like raising energy consumption, CO2 emissions and civil privacy / social engineering issues I propose heavy data center tarrifs for non-essentials (like "AI"). Humanity is going the wrong way on those issues, so we can have shitty memes and cheat at school work until earth spits us out. The cost is too damn high!

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

What do you mean what do I mean? You were the one that said about ideas in the first place...

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

If you don't think humans can conceive of new ideas wholesale, then how do you think we ever invented anything (like, for instance, the languages that chat bots write)?

Also, you're the one with the burden of proof in this exchange. It's a pretty hefty claim to say that humans are unable to conceive of new ideas and are simply chatbots with organs given that we created the freaking chat bot you are convinced we all are.

You may not have new ideas, or be creative. So maybe you're a chatbot with organs, but people who aren't do exist.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago

And is tariffs a new idea or something you recycled from what you've heard before about tariffs?

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