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U.S. Has Attacked Iran's Nuclear Facilities (www.twz.com)
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[–] 20 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Strangely yes. This jacks up the price of oil in a way that doesn't dirty Putin's hands. It's a bit of a weird play but makes some sense.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    Iran is a major trade partner and an important partner in the Ukraine War and they were both important allies of Assad and worked closely together in Syria. They have deep ties. There's no way the price of oil is worth losing one of their key allies in the region.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why not? They have strategic value sure but Russia is nearly bankrupt, Iran for an extra year or two of solvency makes sense to me. Further weakens the US too.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It told you why not! Because Iran is an important regional ally and business partner and military asset.

    Russia sacrificing an ally like this for something as paltry as "gas prices" would be short-sighted in the extreme.

    Although since you seem to think Russia is "nearly bankrupt" and that this only buys them "an extra year or two" that explains why you don't think this matters.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Yeah the condescending really explained your point. Import export numbers, critical resources only Iran provides Russia, strategic geographic and political value. You really covered it all in those... 3 sentences formatted as paragraphs. Worthless. Down vote me if you failed econ 1.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Jesus do you want me to write you an essay?

    I will say they just entered a new 20-year bilateral trade and military cooperation treaty on Jan 17th of this year, which is hardly something Russia would do if they were willing to just destroy Iran in a few months. They did this because trade between the countries has risen sharply due to the sanctions against Russia, and that's not going away any time soon so it would be foolish to sacrifice them at this stage. Then there's the suspected missiles and drones that Iran has been (possibly) supplying Russia for its war with Ukraine, and blowing them up would disrupt that supply line.

    But if you're determined to believe Russia wants Iran to be bombed, I won't be able to stop you.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago*

    You wanna go look at those numbers or you gonna keep bullshitting based on articles you skimmed? Like I'm aware of the trade and the drones. I'm also aware of Russia's oil exports and their ghost fleet selling to India and others.

    Here's a list of Russia's trading partners with numbers. Notice how Iran isn't even top 10? Do I need to break down what they're exporting to Germany or do you get it now? And this ignores India BTW.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_Russia

    Strait of Hormuz shuts and that's gravy for Russian, especially with the Artic ocean melting. Congrads though, now I think you're a drop out.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    If Iran gets their own nukes, then Russia loses a big bargaining chip.

    Honestly, that's probably the only reason why nukes weren't used.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    If Iran gets their own nukes, one of Russia's most important allies in the region is safe from attack. That seems a lot more useful than a "bargaining chip". Now, Russia risks losing an important ally and whatever bargaining chip they may have had.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (15 children)

    You're reading the play like Russia wants an ally.

    What they want is a dependent.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Only empires can have dependency, Russia isn't nearly that strong. Russia needs allies or it will be overwhelmed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Glances at Belarus

    Yeah. Okay.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Belarus has basically been driven out of the European economy, but that's hardly something Russia did. If Russia has become an empire and Belarus has lost its sovereignty it's because Europe decided to force the issue. Bad move, I guess?

    Or maybe Belarus and Russia are just allies and they're working together like normal allies do.

    Either way, comparing this to Iran is absurd! Iran has ten times the population. Plus, China is right there. It wouldn't work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It wouldn’t work.

    Look at that, it's working.

    Plus, China is right there.

    I think you should look at a map sometime. Unless you are taking about Russia-China relations, but that doesn't seem to be the context here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look at that, it’s working.

    What's working? Iran isn't any more dependent on Russia than it was before the strikes.

    I think you should look at a map sometime. Unless you are taking about Russia-China relations, but that doesn’t seem to be the context here.

    There are just as many countries between Iran and Russia as there are between Iran and China, I don't see why Iran would have to allow itself to be dependent on Russia when China is just as close. Granted, Russia and Iran border the Caspian Sea so they can access each others' ports, but Iran also has ocean coast so it can access Chinese ports as well. In terms of raw numbers, Iran's exports to China value $4.59B and imports value $10B. Trade with Russia, by comparison, is $1.9B. Total.

    China is actually a closer economic partner with Iran than Russia is, so why wouldn't Iran be able to turn to China?

    Also, Iran is a founding member of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. Also also, Iran is an observer member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, and looks to be in the process to become a full member eventually.

    Also also also, Taiwan condemned Iran's strikes against Israel, so you know they're tight with China lol

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    There are just as many countries between Iran and Russia as there are between Iran and China...

    Then why would you say China is "right there" as an argument.

    Also, the premise is not that Iran is a puppet state of Russia, but that they are dependent on Russia for security from other nuclear-armed countries. Russia doesn't want Iran to get nukes because they lose that valuable bargaining chip.

    Let's sum up your arguments so far.

    You think that Russia can't maintain control over other nations, and I provided a direct refutation of that.

    You think that China was geographically closer to Iran than Russia was, and that is refuted with Google maps.

    You need to take a look at the players, their motivations and the "board" and then come back with an actual assessment instead of plainly incorrect and unfounded opinions

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I don't agree with the guy, but Russia has dependencies both in central Asia and in Europe. Without Russia's support, the current regimes in Turkmenistan, Belarus and Transnistria would not survive.

    Iran, however, isn't one, as you said.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Russia is a real country run by actual human beings. They're not Mordor with a dark lord commanding an army of orcs. And Russia wants allies. They're up against a vast global US-lead alliance system. Of course they want allies.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    This is some of the most geopolitically misinformed shit I’ve read in a while, congratulations.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago

    Great rebuttle. Really drove home your point with facts and evidence. Oh no sorry, didn't get bogged down with those... Or post any, or even a differing opinion. Just the snide of.. Did you by chance drop out of school?

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