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Disney sues AI image generator Midjourney (pivot-to-ai.com)
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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

Yeah I figured as much before you posted this, but it's a good quote. Basically if they win they'll be able to make a profit out of the ai as well as screwing you over royally as an artist.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you're using AI to create something you're not an artist.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reading comprehension is truly dead.

    A LOT of art is transformative works and Disney is trying to lock down copyright with this which would cause a massive hit to pretty much anything remotely transformative. This is what my original comment was about and what @Mothra was also talking about.

    If you’re using AI to create something you’re not an artist.

    Are the band Everything Everything not artists because the lyrics to Software Greatman are partially made with gen-AI?

    Most of it you see is stupid slop because of the massive hype behind it driven by corporations who want to see line go up, but there are some good art pieces made with gen-AI. With those there is usually also significantly more creative process involved and not just "enter prompt, get output, post online" like so many people seem to imply, too.

    Just to give another example of good gen-AI art, this is Meat Gala (cw: body horror!) by Rob Sheridan. Read the post body.

    If you’re using AI to create something you’re not an artist.

    At which point does something become art?

    Is photography art? You didn't paint that portrait yourself.
    Is electronic music art? You never learned to play a physical instrument and just enter notes on your computer which plays it for you.
    Is Comedian art? This is just a banana, duck taped to a wall. I can do that myself in 2 minutes.
    Is found art art? This is just some random object.

    And so on.

    It is futile to try to define what is and is not art (and therefore, who is and is not an artist) by the method(s) it was made with, that is an extremely limiting viewpoint and leads to the above assertions that I would consider extremely unserious. Gen-AI is no different.

    Anyway, to get back to the original topic:

    If you actually care about artists, support unions like SAG-AFTRA working against corporations who are trying to use AI as yet another method to underpay or get rid of their employees, instead of corporations trying to prevent their IP from being used in anything that doesn't make them money, which would actively hurt a huge part of artists. That is the important difference.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You literally sound like an AI with this post. AI isn't fucking art. Full stop. I work in the film industry. Fuck all AI. Fuck anyone defending that bullshit.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Ah yes, great way to dismiss any sort of criticism. Hit em with the “You sound like an AI”.

    “AI is not art” is a reactionary statement and I hope someday you start thinking critically about this.

    EDIT: And to actually respond to the little you were saying, just as you haven't,

    It doesn't matter where you work, it doesn't make "AI art isn't art" less of a thought-terminating cliche. I think I already wrote enough in my previous reply that you never acknowledged (hey, I suppose the "Reading comprehension is truly dead" I put at the top there was more of a premonition) so I'm not going to write any more here. Read that again.

    However, genuinely think about what you want to accomplish by saying that. I can say one thing, realistically the technology isn't going away.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Typing a prompt and claiming you made 'art' doesn't make you a fucking artist. Literally that is an insult to anyone making actual art. If you want to use words to make something that is artistic, fucking write a book.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago

    To quote, uh, myself:

    Are the band Everything Everything not artists because the lyrics to Software Greatman are partially made with gen-AI?

    Most of it you see is stupid slop because of the massive hype behind it driven by corporations who want to see line go up, but there are some good art pieces made with gen-AI. With those there is usually also significantly more creative process involved and not just "enter prompt, get output, post online" like so many people seem to imply, too.

    (emphasis mine. lol)

    Let's take "prompts" out of the equation. Let's say someone takes some images, corrupts them, and presents them on their instagram page or whatever. Is that art? Surely it is, this is a popular art form called glitch art.

    What if the original images are downloaded from the internet and are not their own? Is that art?
    What if the computer picks out images from the internet and the person only corrupts and uploads some of what they are presented by the computer? Is that art?
    What if the computer picks out and corrupts the images, and the person only decides which to upload, i.e. decides to present them as art? Are the uploaded images art?

    If they are, I agree.
    If they are not, at which point of these does it stop being art?

    What if the source images are originally AI-generated, either by the same person with no prompt, just as a random image generator, or by someone else? Are the final images still art?

    If they are, where do you think the limit is, how directly can AI be involved in something for it to still be art?
    If they are not, where is the difference between someone taking essentially automatically processed pictures from the internet and curating them, and someone taking algorithmically generated images, neither of which they have direct influence over, in your opinion, that makes one of them art and the other not, despite the process of the glitch art creator being the same?

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