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This racist trash is what passes for "medical education" in the US (www.reddit.com)
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[–] 3 points 3 years ago (16 children)

You can read it that way, or that they report higher pain intensity, or that they have been refused medication in the past so are likely to exaggerate in order to get what they need.

The problem is we don't have an objective way to measure pain. We can control the stimulus, but is it possible that one person experiences pain differently from others. By aggregating data you can find trends among populations. Hiding this information doesn't serve anyone.

Knowing what groups tend to over/state pain is useful. The format they show it in is offensive, some straight up graphs and numbers showing what the trends are would be better.

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  • [–] [S] 65 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    We found the author lmao

    Knowing what groups tend to over/state pain is useful

    So let me get this straight, you think there are ethnic groups out there as an aggregate that "overstate" pain? You really think that's a fuckin phenomenon that exists, did I hear you right?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I was denied care from some nurses when I was actively intensely bleeding. I cannot express enough how negligent medical staff can be. They will see literal observable issues which may be life threatening and ignore them while choosing to attack you for begging for help. I wonder what percent of deaths in medical care is caused by medical malpractice and I'm convinced many deaths are solely due to medical malpractice. Too many people enter the field to get themselves a way to extort power over other people. :(

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago*

    this happened to me when i was a kid and broke my arm and my bone was literally sticking out of my skin at the hospital. my dad had to threaten to kill people to get me pain medications. he actually spent a night in jail over it, but i did get the meds.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    I meant to type over/under state.

    I believe, in aggregate, data can show trends. The cause of these trends is not always clear. Using this example, if it is true that black people, on average report a higher pain number for similar incidents when compared to a different group, that doesn't mean they are lying. It could be that there is a genetic marker that indicates experiencing pain at a higher level. It could mean that past experience with doctors have taught them they need to state their needs as dire to get the care they need. It could mean that more black people can't afford healthcare and as such only go when it is more severe. It may be a cultural phenomena, like how in Britain "man flu" is considered a thing.

    I don't believe data says people are lying, I believe data can show a trend. I feel that it is good to be aware of data.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    This isn't an issue of data, it's an issue of racist drivel being presented as medical science, people in this thread have already presented the actual data for your "questions" and surprise! Yes medical professionals are trained to expect black people to lie about pain because they're literally taught black people don't experience pain, THAT'S THE REAL WORLD DATA

    See we're dealing with the dire reality of racism in the medical field and you think it's simply an issue of not having data, one: we already have the data, two: racists don't give a fuck about data, that's why the black category can only be read as "they're lying" because the rest of the categories are filled with indefensible bigotry and cartoonish caricatures, that reveals the mindset of the editor and author of the section, as such they cannot be treated as any sort of reliable transmitter of inferred data, especially when the real data contradicts their racist assertions

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I think you misunderstand me.

    I believe that racism is a problem, especially in medicine. I think that there are many groups who are discriminated medical professionals.

    I don't think the information is presented in a good way. But I think it's important to look at this information. Racists don't care about what the data says, that doesn't mean it isn't important for sane people to see the data. It's like the infamous crime statistic, where the conclusion racists draw is black people are not only more likely to commit crime but they are also bad and will be caught, as opposed to thinking for one brief second that the issue is one of unfair enforcement.

    I think that suppression of knowledge isn't a good course. Obviously the information was presented in a poor fashion, but there is a difference between it just being racism and being really bad at showing data. But presenting findings can't be considered racist, taking findings out of context can be.

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  • [–] [S] 34 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I swear in one ear out the other, real sus shit from our little lemm.ee visitor, there is no "findings" to be presented, there is no "context" to massage the racist drivel in that book, it's all garbage, the actual data (that has already been posted in this thread, which you have ignored) contradicts everything in that trash section

    It's not about presentation, there is no "good" fashion for displaying racism, the information itself is bogus and cartoonishly bigoted, how this isn't obvious to you speaks volumes about your ignorance concerning racial subjects, but hey you're cracker so I guess I have to grade you on a curve

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    I think that suppression of knowledge isn't a good course

    You really have to touch grass and actually listen to people who are experts in epistomology and medical science, they will have very contrary opinions to yours.

    Focault prison did do some good showing some development of medical institutions, you yourself just think that stuff is neutral now and you also think that text book racism is "data" and "knowledge" which it isn't.

    You also defend the "data" form a racist text book now and bound much more time than if you had stayed silent and instead read the links and sources in the thread which link to papers and articles challenging the racist ideas of "blacks no pain tolerace".

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  • [–] 50 points 3 years ago

    Hiding this information doesn't serve anyone.

    The page presented is so incredibly racist that if you really wanted to "aggregate data to find trends" you would have to erase this garbage and start over anyway. So I really don't get what you're saying.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    I give you a hint: Don't try to find justification for obvious racist propaganda, instead read what is written in the thread and listen to the answers you got. Go read anti racist books and listen to marginalized groups. You are carrying water for unempirical "scientific racism" here, that is still used to this day to decrease the quality of service for plenty of people.

    If you want to be taken serious you don't have to be neutral in themes of racism (which would be better what you do here), but you have to be anti racist.

    The problem is we don't have an objective way to measure pain

    No anti-cracker-aktion, the problem here is racism. Also: Bullshit "objective measurements".

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