▲ 1617 ▼ public services of an entire german state switches from Microsoft to open source (Libreoffice, Linux, Nextcloud, Thunderbird) (euro-stack.com) submitted 1 year ago by not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/technology@lemmy.world 253 comments fedilink hide all child comments they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
[–] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 78 points 1 year ago (18 children) It's gonna be a rough few months for the IT department permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Shayeta@feddit.org 85 points 1 year ago (15 children) Actually being able to troubleshoot things yourself instead of waiting for a reply from Microsoft support is a godsend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (11 children) Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (4 children) Conveniently, this could be a path to competence for those juniors in the long term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I hope so. I would have loved the opportunity to be in that position, and if I was still working as a sys admin, I'd still live it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago "competency" in IT is more about your skills with the tools your company is using. My current company only has one super minor server running Linux so even if someone so advanced with Linux they make Richard Stallman look like a M$ shill wouldnt be a competent engineer in my infrastructure. I do get what you're saying though and I wish more things would move to Linux in general. It's much nicer to manage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Or way worse, what you said but senior techs. Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 1 point 1 year ago MS smart permalink fedilink source parent [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Modern MS infra administration is far from "navigating arcane GUIs": it's all about PowerShell, IaC, automation etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I feel like most of the items aren't going to be real troubleshooting. It's been a good bit since I worked the support desk, but even with generic microsoft updates, most of the 'questions' were basically the worst users finding a way to say 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore until I get tired and then complain to someone else'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore Yeah, but that already happens every time Microsoft does a major version "upgrade". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And imagine how much more handholding it'll require when you fundamentally change everything about their computer lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] daw@feddit.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) Imagine them switching to Linux and suddenly shit works permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Lol, I was thinking the same thing. "plug it in, OK, done". No drivers and none of that shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shayeta@feddit.org 85 points 1 year ago (15 children) Actually being able to troubleshoot things yourself instead of waiting for a reply from Microsoft support is a godsend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (11 children) Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (4 children) Conveniently, this could be a path to competence for those juniors in the long term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I hope so. I would have loved the opportunity to be in that position, and if I was still working as a sys admin, I'd still live it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago "competency" in IT is more about your skills with the tools your company is using. My current company only has one super minor server running Linux so even if someone so advanced with Linux they make Richard Stallman look like a M$ shill wouldnt be a competent engineer in my infrastructure. I do get what you're saying though and I wish more things would move to Linux in general. It's much nicer to manage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Or way worse, what you said but senior techs. Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 1 point 1 year ago MS smart permalink fedilink source parent [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Modern MS infra administration is far from "navigating arcane GUIs": it's all about PowerShell, IaC, automation etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I feel like most of the items aren't going to be real troubleshooting. It's been a good bit since I worked the support desk, but even with generic microsoft updates, most of the 'questions' were basically the worst users finding a way to say 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore until I get tired and then complain to someone else'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore Yeah, but that already happens every time Microsoft does a major version "upgrade". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And imagine how much more handholding it'll require when you fundamentally change everything about their computer lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (11 children) Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (4 children) Conveniently, this could be a path to competence for those juniors in the long term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I hope so. I would have loved the opportunity to be in that position, and if I was still working as a sys admin, I'd still live it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago "competency" in IT is more about your skills with the tools your company is using. My current company only has one super minor server running Linux so even if someone so advanced with Linux they make Richard Stallman look like a M$ shill wouldnt be a competent engineer in my infrastructure. I do get what you're saying though and I wish more things would move to Linux in general. It's much nicer to manage. permalink fedilink source parent [–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Or way worse, what you said but senior techs. Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 1 point 1 year ago MS smart permalink fedilink source parent [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Modern MS infra administration is far from "navigating arcane GUIs": it's all about PowerShell, IaC, automation etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (4 children) Conveniently, this could be a path to competence for those juniors in the long term. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I hope so. I would have loved the opportunity to be in that position, and if I was still working as a sys admin, I'd still live it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago "competency" in IT is more about your skills with the tools your company is using. My current company only has one super minor server running Linux so even if someone so advanced with Linux they make Richard Stallman look like a M$ shill wouldnt be a competent engineer in my infrastructure. I do get what you're saying though and I wish more things would move to Linux in general. It's much nicer to manage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago (1 child) You a glass half full type person, huh? Honestly, I admire that attitude. I hope you can keep that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 5 points 1 year ago you're a "wish you all the best" type person huh? I hope you can keep that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago I hope so. I would have loved the opportunity to be in that position, and if I was still working as a sys admin, I'd still live it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago "competency" in IT is more about your skills with the tools your company is using. My current company only has one super minor server running Linux so even if someone so advanced with Linux they make Richard Stallman look like a M$ shill wouldnt be a competent engineer in my infrastructure. I do get what you're saying though and I wish more things would move to Linux in general. It's much nicer to manage. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (5 children) Or way worse, what you said but senior techs. Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 1 point 1 year ago MS smart permalink fedilink source parent [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Modern MS infra administration is far from "navigating arcane GUIs": it's all about PowerShell, IaC, automation etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone [S] 1 point 1 year ago MS smart permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children) Modern MS infra administration is far from "navigating arcane GUIs": it's all about PowerShell, IaC, automation etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) Yeah now it's all about navigating obscure web pages that mysteriously change every few months haha permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] exchange12rocks@lemm.ee 1 point 1 year ago true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 year ago (2 children) I feel like most of the items aren't going to be real troubleshooting. It's been a good bit since I worked the support desk, but even with generic microsoft updates, most of the 'questions' were basically the worst users finding a way to say 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore until I get tired and then complain to someone else'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore Yeah, but that already happens every time Microsoft does a major version "upgrade". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And imagine how much more handholding it'll require when you fundamentally change everything about their computer lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) 'It used to be this and I want it to be this way, hold my hand for an hour while telling me its not this way anymore Yeah, but that already happens every time Microsoft does a major version "upgrade". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And imagine how much more handholding it'll require when you fundamentally change everything about their computer lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago And imagine how much more handholding it'll require when you fundamentally change everything about their computer lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] daw@feddit.org 19 points 1 year ago (1 child) Imagine them switching to Linux and suddenly shit works permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Lol, I was thinking the same thing. "plug it in, OK, done". No drivers and none of that shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago Lol, I was thinking the same thing. "plug it in, OK, done". No drivers and none of that shit. permalink fedilink source parent