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[–] 36 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

Good point, actually.

Canada declared war on Germany in 1939, because it was the right thing to do.

The USA declared war on Japan two years later, the day after Pearl Harbor. Soon after, Germany and Italy declared war on the USA.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    So, like you do realize that prior to our physically entering the war, we ramped up production of war material and basically supplied the allies?

    Like, I do respect Canada's decision, don't think for a second I'm diminishing that. But if we hadn't spent time ramping our industrial out put, the allies very probably would have lost. Pearl Harbor gave us a kick in the pants, though we were already building our military to enter. you don't go from a tiny, basically non existent military to 2.2 million strong overnight.

    edit to add: it's a lot easier to get 11 million people to agree politically than 130 million people. there's simply more inertia. we can debate about what should have happened, and such. the reality is that we did enter the war indirectly.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Outside of American history, a LOT was happening in the second world war. You may not have been exposed to that education.

    Remember that before the US entered the war, it demanded all of the UKs patents. It was a trove worth absolutely billions back then. Mercenaries.

    The curriculum you may have seen may typically paint the US as being the single-handed victor to a righteous battle, as the trend goes, but they missed a lot in their summaries.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The curriculum you may have seen may typically paint the US as being the single-handed victor to a righteous battle, as the trend goes, but they missed a lot in their summaries.

    I'm not saying that's not true. But it's equally unfair to say that Americans weren't contributing to the overall war effort until 41/42 when we entered with troops. the soviets and UK in particular would absolutely have collapsed if we weren't involved. Also.... I can't find anything indicating the the US demanded UK patents, and certainly not all the patents.

    What I am seeing (and what matches what I've seen before,) is that there was a mutual transfer of technologies that were largely strategic in choice. it was definitely uneven- some of it was a simple matter that we needed to know how to build the stuff you all wanted. Can't exactly make torpex without the formula for torpex, right?

    I suspect your curriculum was every bit as biased as mine. Which is the normal for history class. most places gloss over the, ah, troublesome, aspects. Germany is one of the very few places I know of that makes an active effort to not.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IIRC Canada declared war on Germany to get independence from Britain, but don't quote me on that.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You aren't familiar with something that happened in 1867 that might have done that already, eh?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    We became a confederated nation then.

    A sovereign nation within the commonwealth.

    Britain still held power over the constitution - the British North American Act.

    Until 1981. When granpapa Trudeau managed to get all of Canada's premieres to agree on a new constitution and officially sever any official control Britain still had.

    And that's how we got our bill of rights / charter of rights and freedoms.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982

    But we still have royalty on our money and the governor general is still technically the representative of the royals (and can still overrule just about anything with the authority of the crown.)

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  • [+] -18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A German speaking person criticizing US actions during WW2 is absurd. Remind me, what contributions Germany had in that war? America sacrificed tremendously to right the wrongs of Europe in WW2. My grandfather was surrounded in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge, survived and went on to liberate several German concentration camps where Jews were being slaughtered and has photos of the piles of dead emaciated bodies to show of it. The allies, yes including your Canada and the US ultimately supported free Germany until the Berlin wall fell and helped make it the powerhouse it is today. I do not defend current US policy, but to say the US has never deserved respect is fucking bizarre and totally off base.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My grandfather came from Poland and was a pow in Germany.

    I hope Winston Churchill is English enough to quote.

    Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I thought if this quote so many times with the long battle for the environment. Finally it seemed with Biden, we were there. We tried so many things with ignoring the problems we were creating, buying our way out of them, hiding them, pretending they weren’t real, sending our lead in renewable to China, we exhausted all the possibilities. Finally people realized they can’t hide da in the sand, finally we even got manufacturers to face the truth, finally we were focussed on building industries and supply chains, good jobs for the economy of the future while making the world a better place.

    Then we tear it all down over what seems like personal spite. People really think the industries of the 1950s will save them and decided to throw away the industries of the 2020-2040s. Resource extraction and exploitation will save us over high value manufacturing

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago

    Look, take Ukraine and imagine had Biden not published intel that Russia was about to invade. The rest of Europe was busy buying too much oil from Putin to care. We then have contributed many Billions in support to keep democracy alive in that country, a neighbor of Poland. Sure, shit all over Trump for unwinding our efforts there, but don’t ignore how much we helped defend Eastern Europe.

    Do you honestly think Germany would have been better off without US’s contribution to WW2?

    Everyone in here is downvoting me because they have such a short memory and hate Trump, but again, saying the US has never helped the international community is simply way the fuck wrong.

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