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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (12 children) And people would voluntarily use this browser ....why? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 24 points 2 years ago (10 children) Weirder things have happened. Like people using Brave voluntarily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] klemptor@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm out of the loop, what's wrong with Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a great browser especially if you go through the settings and disable the things you don't need, but the people here don't like it because the CEO donated $1000 to anti gay marriage bill in 2008. There were some other controversies like injecting brave's referral codes on crypto exchanges if you were signing up for an account and allowing bat donations to creators that didn't sign up for it but all of that has been remedied. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He's a shitbag through and through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeekySalsa@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) Um, should I stop using Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago use librewolf if you want privacy. idk much abt brave but i do know that their ceo is super homophobic, and ive heard that brave sometimes changes the referral links you select to make them money permalink fedilink source parent [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only if you are going tor only. Im no expert but imo there is no better general purpose browser right now, both in terms of usability and privacy. Default firefox is a joke, librewolf is decent but it's fingerprint protection relies on blending in which is difficult to achieve with it's small userbase or if you have a lot of extensions and it's identity separation is done manually through containers while brave uses randomization for fingerprinting, that doesn't have this issue and it does site containerization between all tabs automatically. Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn't main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf. Opera is Chinese spyware, Vivaldi is whole ass operating system with a browser functionality, everything else is dead or not ready or not any better so yeah... I'll be sticking with brave until something better comes along. If someone here knows a better alternative please let me know in the comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mdd@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch. permalink fedilink source parent [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) because they want ads that serve them things they want I imagine. EDIT: if ur downvoting me, say why. some people will see this as a feature permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 24 points 2 years ago (10 children) Weirder things have happened. Like people using Brave voluntarily. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] klemptor@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm out of the loop, what's wrong with Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a great browser especially if you go through the settings and disable the things you don't need, but the people here don't like it because the CEO donated $1000 to anti gay marriage bill in 2008. There were some other controversies like injecting brave's referral codes on crypto exchanges if you were signing up for an account and allowing bat donations to creators that didn't sign up for it but all of that has been remedied. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He's a shitbag through and through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GeekySalsa@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) Um, should I stop using Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago use librewolf if you want privacy. idk much abt brave but i do know that their ceo is super homophobic, and ive heard that brave sometimes changes the referral links you select to make them money permalink fedilink source parent [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only if you are going tor only. Im no expert but imo there is no better general purpose browser right now, both in terms of usability and privacy. Default firefox is a joke, librewolf is decent but it's fingerprint protection relies on blending in which is difficult to achieve with it's small userbase or if you have a lot of extensions and it's identity separation is done manually through containers while brave uses randomization for fingerprinting, that doesn't have this issue and it does site containerization between all tabs automatically. Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn't main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf. Opera is Chinese spyware, Vivaldi is whole ass operating system with a browser functionality, everything else is dead or not ready or not any better so yeah... I'll be sticking with brave until something better comes along. If someone here knows a better alternative please let me know in the comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mdd@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch. permalink fedilink source parent [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klemptor@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'm out of the loop, what's wrong with Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a great browser especially if you go through the settings and disable the things you don't need, but the people here don't like it because the CEO donated $1000 to anti gay marriage bill in 2008. There were some other controversies like injecting brave's referral codes on crypto exchanges if you were signing up for an account and allowing bat donations to creators that didn't sign up for it but all of that has been remedied. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He's a shitbag through and through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a great browser especially if you go through the settings and disable the things you don't need, but the people here don't like it because the CEO donated $1000 to anti gay marriage bill in 2008. There were some other controversies like injecting brave's referral codes on crypto exchanges if you were signing up for an account and allowing bat donations to creators that didn't sign up for it but all of that has been remedied. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He's a shitbag through and through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You make it sound like the CEO is a changed man. He's a shitbag through and through. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Idk much about the CEO, the only reason why I mentioned him was to highlight that imo when it comes to brave people on lemmy judge the person not the product, and the product is good. I see no reason to dismiss it just because 1 guy (who probably haven't even touched it) out of 100s of employees did something that doesn't align with my morals. As far as I know brave makes money from it's ad program, bat value and other non browser services; VPN and premium versions of its search, llm, and talk. It doesn't have "the firefox deal" so as long as you disable brave ads and don't directly give them money there is no ethical conundrum regarding supporting a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GeekySalsa@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) Um, should I stop using Brave? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago use librewolf if you want privacy. idk much abt brave but i do know that their ceo is super homophobic, and ive heard that brave sometimes changes the referral links you select to make them money permalink fedilink source parent [+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only if you are going tor only. Im no expert but imo there is no better general purpose browser right now, both in terms of usability and privacy. Default firefox is a joke, librewolf is decent but it's fingerprint protection relies on blending in which is difficult to achieve with it's small userbase or if you have a lot of extensions and it's identity separation is done manually through containers while brave uses randomization for fingerprinting, that doesn't have this issue and it does site containerization between all tabs automatically. Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn't main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf. Opera is Chinese spyware, Vivaldi is whole ass operating system with a browser functionality, everything else is dead or not ready or not any better so yeah... I'll be sticking with brave until something better comes along. If someone here knows a better alternative please let me know in the comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mdd@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch. permalink fedilink source parent [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago use librewolf if you want privacy. idk much abt brave but i do know that their ceo is super homophobic, and ive heard that brave sometimes changes the referral links you select to make them money permalink fedilink source parent
[+] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de -6 points 2 years ago (3 children) Only if you are going tor only. Im no expert but imo there is no better general purpose browser right now, both in terms of usability and privacy. Default firefox is a joke, librewolf is decent but it's fingerprint protection relies on blending in which is difficult to achieve with it's small userbase or if you have a lot of extensions and it's identity separation is done manually through containers while brave uses randomization for fingerprinting, that doesn't have this issue and it does site containerization between all tabs automatically. Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn't main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf. Opera is Chinese spyware, Vivaldi is whole ass operating system with a browser functionality, everything else is dead or not ready or not any better so yeah... I'll be sticking with brave until something better comes along. If someone here knows a better alternative please let me know in the comment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mdd@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch. permalink fedilink source parent [–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mdd@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Ungoogled chromium is just brave without all the privacy benefits, mullvad browser is just tor browser without tor, which might be useful in some cases if you are using multiple browsers but I wouldn’t main it , and it has the same problems as librewolf Yes, librewolf is un-mozillad firefox but it also turns on many privacy features by default. Many sites need exceptions to work properly which takes a little getting used to. After using FF for decades librewolf was an easy switch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) tor is crazy, like you cant use half the internet with it - how do you sign into stuff while remaining anonymus? its good for hiding browsing history from the world, but other than that i don think its the best. iIuse librewolf and it seems to work well, i might switch in the future to something else but im fine with this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago I use it for the encryption and IP hiding just to make casual surveillance more difficult, more than trying to be 100% anonymous. If I can't use a site with Tor, I'll add an exception for it if it's something I really need. Otherwise, I find an alternative for whatever I was trying to do, and I don't really care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) because they want ads that serve them things they want I imagine. EDIT: if ur downvoting me, say why. some people will see this as a feature permalink fedilink source parent