Yeah, I read this first thing in the morning and replied before even checking what community it is. Probably should've deleted this but also, maybe it's a good discussion to have around here.

I know that you're right but it just feels hopeless. You say that I should have empathy but honestly what I worry about the most is that the people we're talking about here have no empathy of their own. Because I can't help but wonder, don't these kids have mothers and sisters that they look at and at least feel a little bit bad about the circles they spend time in and the ideology they believe in? It's a strange mix of disgust and despair that I feel about this. Because I feel like trying to appeal to the good nature of mother's sons that listen to rapists in the first place is a lost cause.

But I could just be bitter. And facing my own gender wars internally and projecting that. I've actually been trying to stay away from these conversations because I'm not sure if I can be anything but angry at this point.