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Notorious right wing troll gets one of his many accounts banned for evasion (thelemmy.club)
submitted 1 year ago by to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca
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Curious if anyone has the original Universal Monk comment handy.

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[+] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (33 children)
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  • [–] [S] 42 points 1 year ago (31 children)

    Universal Monk was a prolific poster around election time; he had tons of alt accounts that all posted stuff purposely made to divide the left.

    After his accounts all got banned for trolling and evasion, he started up the Donald J Musk accounts and repeated the cycle, this time posting far-right fascist content and trolling people with lies, disinfo, and general unpleasantness.

    It's been an open secret for a while that they were the same user based on the MO, but apparently he fucked up and reused a comment.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Their favourite m.o. during election season was sealioning and concern trolling, as well as baiting people into breaking the civility rule and then reporting them. It seemed to me like they were taking pleasure from skirting around the letter of the law while violating the spirit of it.

    It was completely incredible at the time that they went on for months without getting banned.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago

    baiting people into breaking the civility rule and then reporting them

    ELI5: If it's bad enough to compromise civility over, it's bad enough to report to get rule enforcers involved, right?

    As for the other two things (the "sealioning" and "concern trolling" parts), I guess I'd need examples here. I've seen people called "sealioners" simply for asking for translations, and I've seen people called "concern trolls" even over pointing out law violations. It invokes thoughts of what PBS calls "fallacy fallacy".

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The fact that !politics_no_um@lemmy.world had to be created still baffles me

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As a big Umphrees McGee fan, who had previously blocked and forgot about UniversalMonk, seeing a bunch of posts talking smack about UM really threw me for a loop when it got real bad haha.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Tbh, it appears to me the guy is in serious mental health crisis. Social isolation isn't great without mh support and tends to exacerbate issues. I'm wondering if it's simply not affordably accessible to them or if it is and they broke so completely they failed to see the necessity. I remember a post they made about breaking up with their gf and that's when the alt-right accounts became highly visible to me.

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  • [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    He also posted about being happily married; there's really no way to know the truth about a serial liar like UM.

    Although he has serious "50-something-divorced-guy" energy. If I had to guess, his kids and ex hate him for being a right-wing scumbag and this is how he takes out his anger.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    The only thing we need to guess, impo, is he's in serious mh crisis and pushing him toward suicide or mass shooting isn't a solution. Ignore or block should leave him the option of seeking professional help or spiralling of his own doing, not ours.

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  • [–] [S] 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It also leaves open the option to keep being a racist, transphobic, fascist troll though, which will leave the door open to becoming a Nazi bar.

    I understand where you're coming from, but it's not my responsibility to play nice with the people who are attacking the people I love and those like them.

    Trolls should be made to feel unwelcome until they change their behavior.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    We disagree. Unless we're moderators, it's not our job and focusing on other's demons too much means we're ignoring our own. Something about the abyss staring back, but that's the beauty of the fediverse. Just like you don't get to tell me what to do, I don't get to tell you. I would only urge you to do some soul -searching and follow your best impulses, while waiting to serve the worst or questionable. There are other options such as utilizing block/report.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sure, if that's what works for you.

    But I don't want to see Lemmy turn into a trash site like Reddit, where the worst and loudest are free to harass, provoke, and lie without consequences.

    This user has literally dozens of alts he uses to get around bans, so I don't see unilateral disarmament as a way to keep this particular fascist in check.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    That's fair. Practicable solutions seem to be somewhere between severity and mercy, in my estimation.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Thanks for voicing an alternate opinion, I really do value other perspectives.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You're welcome and thank you, too. What about ip block ban?

    My concern is for avoidable loss of human life. Not that it is avoidable, just that I would appreciate mitigation of foreseeable consequences.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago*

    Social isolation

    I'm not socially isolated though. And the gf I broke up with wasn't an emotional post. I was talking about how she was too clingy and was mad that I dated other girls. There was nothing sad about it at all. Please post the actual comment.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    he had tons of alt accounts

    How do we know each persona is his?

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You watch long enough, definable patterns emerge, then blow up. Fractal repetition, really.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago

    I've seen a lot of mistaken identity occur due to people trying to grasp these supposed patterns. Emphasis on "a lot" too. Among people who have thought I've evaded punishment, I've been mistaken for (other) full blown celebrities before. It's to the point where my copyrights have been imbued in their artwork.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    After his accounts all got banned for trolling and evasion

    What accounts? I don't have any other accounts except for Universal Monk. And I haven't been banned. I'm still here posting. As you can see. My post and comment history is public.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    People are mad because I voted for the Socialist Workers Party for the election (my post history on lemmy.world is public, so you can see for yourself). Yes, they are still mad.

    I have no idea who the poster they banned is tho, but everyone here is saying it's me. But that's not me.

    I'm not even a conservative. I'm Socialist.

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