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Penn Jillette is No Longer A Libertarian (lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz)
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Seriously abridged version of this alongside the clown makeup removal meme In 2008, Jillette stated that there is not enough information to make an informed decision on global warming, that his gut told him it was not real, but his mind said that he cannot prove it.[48] As of 2014, he has changed his position and now believes that climate change is occurring.[49] He stated in 2008 that he "always" votes Libertarian,[47] and endorsed Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson for president in 2012[50][51][52] and 2016.[53] However, he participated in vote swapping in 2016 by voting for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the swing state of Nevada, in exchange for "10 or 11" of his friends promising to vote for Johnson in blue states like California and New York.[54] In 2020, Jillette distanced himself from aspects of libertarianism, particularly surrounding COVID-19. In an interview with Big Think, he stated, "[A] lot of the illusions that I held dear, rugged individualism, individual freedoms, are coming back to bite us in the ass." He went on to elaborate, "[I]t seems like getting rid of the gatekeepers gave us Trump as president, and in the same breath, in the same wind, gave us not wearing masks, and maybe gave us a huge unpleasant amount of overt racism."[55]
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[–] 111 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

As a big fan of P&T, this is a major win.

Not to mention the veganism which is also closely related to rejecting fascism.

https://vegnews.com/magician-penn-jillette-goes-vegan-for-the-animals

(Full disclosure: I saw an interview where Penn says he went vegan for health and weight loss. But maybe he's evolved to animal liberation as well.)

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Not to mention the veganism which is also closely related to rejecting fascism.

    I mean...

    Technically a vegan did shoot hitler in the head that lead to the end of WW2...

    But that's a weird way to say hitler was a vegan.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Hitler wasn’t a vegan. He ate eggs and dairy products, according to his doctor.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Near the end of his life, Adolf Hitler (1889–1945) followed a vegetarian diet. It is not clear when or why he adopted it, since some accounts of his dietary habits prior to the Second World War indicate that he consumed meat as late as 1937. In 1938, Hitler's doctors put him on a meat-free diet, and his public image as a vegetarian was fostered; from 1942, he self-identified as a vegetarian.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This does not contradict what I said? Vegetarians and vegans are not the same thing. Vegans do not eat eggs or dairy (or honey or any other product derived from animals). Vegetarians have no such restriction, they just don’t eat meat.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    Do you have any idea what they meant by:

    Not to mention the veganism which is also closely related to rejecting fascism.

    Then?

    Because dietary restrictions is not an effective way to fight fascism.

    And I don't want to get in a pedantic argument about modern terms applied to 80 years ago. Although it seems that's what you really want to do

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    it's gives me hope to see this. i made a career change recently from one that's so utterly dominated by libertarians like this meme that it's costed me jobs and inflicted trauma upon my psyche.

    i've also been trying to drop the carnist behavior that i learned as a child; and also for health & weight loss goals; and learning that someone with a high profile that's familiar to me, has done it successfully is helpful; thanks for sharing this.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Hey, you got this. Meatlessness is a difficult switch but once you get recipes and habits built up it gets easier. At this point meat doesn't smell like food to me and while there are things I miss, it's not like I worried it would be when I started

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    IMO petrochemical textiles are a way bigger moral and existential problem than wool or even leather, so while there are many genuine concerns with the livestock industry I cannot support "full" veganism. We might get there eventually with biodegradable plastics but we aren't there now.

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