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[–] 168 points 3 years ago (45 children)

Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind

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  • [–] 38 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Interesting. I didn't know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Example reason why Safari is shit: It's Safari

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah. They selectively adopt web standards years later than the others and the mobile and iPad versions in some ways behave completely differently from desktop (and each other). If safari just acted like the other browsers, frontend web dev would be MUCH easier.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.

    Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I feel like you're referring to Firefox literally 12 years ago or more. I'm talking about today. Literally any brand new standard is not supported for 1-2 years minimum. I run into problems with safari on a near daily basis. I rarely have a weird issue in Firefox. 99% of the time chrome and Firefox behave the same. The vast majority of the time that one browser has an issue others don't, it's safari. It's weird to me to get pushback on this ...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Backdrop filters were introduced with Firefox 103, which was released just 12 months ago. And it was a major pain for me that Firefox was the only browser I had to do workarounds for this function when Safari supported it since 2015 and chrome did since 2019.

    Every platform has some problems. But it’s fairly rare for me to run into these nowadays. I still love using Firefox. But just because your experience is different than mine doesn’t mean that mine is outdated. It’s not meant to be a pushback against your comment, just sharing that there had been issues with Firefox in the past as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (34 children)

    Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (24 children)

    Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn't allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

    Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven't heard this before

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/

    I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it's been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    The enshittification of Opera sucks... I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (8 children)

    Vivaldi isn't just the spiritual successor, it's built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.

    I've got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won't be switching over until Vivaldi doesn't perform correctly.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (5 children)

    How do you know it's dependent? Cant anyone make a fork of the engine?

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  • [+] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure I did exactly what you intended but I searched it in the address/search bar and it gives me this output.

    "Your user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/114.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/6.1.3035.257"

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  • [+] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    At first I thought I did it wrong, since I got an output for basically every browser engine on the market. Does the order matter? I'm just a network engineer I don't know much about systems beyond building hardware and installing/managing Windows and some PnP Linux Distros.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that's worth

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

    DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    And I thought yahoo got it's results from Google too... I probably have no idea though.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.

    I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.

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