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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social -5 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

any marxist who thinks that the USSR or China is an example of a successful revolution is either ignorant, delusional, or worst of all, a tankie.

they had some early successes but were immediately co-opted. motherfuckers need to learn about permenent revolution.

now neither country is socialist, both are imperialist and well on their way towards fascism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (17 children)

The vast majority of Marxists globally are either "ignorant, delusional, or worst of all, tankies" then. The idea that the Soviet Union wasn't Socialist is an extremely fringe opinion among all of Marxists, typically limited to Trotskyists, themselves limited to Western Countries and devoid of any revolutions.

Oh, you mentioned Permanent Revolution. I take it you're a Trotskyist, then? That explains your stance, but I really don't see why Permanent Revolution is relevant in any way, the theoretical basis relied on the assumption of the Peasantry as incapable of being truly aligned with the Proletariat and thus eventually would become counter-revolutionary. This ended up being false, and Socialism stabilized in the USSR, Cuba, China, Vietnam, Laos, and more, effectively debunking its relevancy.

In China, the Trotskyists wished to martyr China by attacking the Kuomintang and the Japanese Imperialists both, rather than allying with the KMT before overthrowing them. Had the Trotskyists had their way, China would remain a colony.

Today, the Russian Federation certainly is Capitalist and extremely Nationalist, but the PRC is still Socialist. I wrote a post on some common problems that some people run into when trying to determine Mode of Production. I also made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, if you want to check it out. I think you'd benefit, especially since you took more of an adventurist route.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social -1 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

i'm not going to get into a debate about it, because i have better things to do, sorry.

i would agree that the USSR was socialist, but very quickly stopped being so, and now it is capitalist. that's not what i call a success.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

and now it is capitalist.

The USSR hasn't existed for 35 years you arrogant fucking western dipshit.

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