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[+] -10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The point is that it's not "kidnapping".

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It was kidnapping then and it's kidnapping now.

    Do you support the Vietnam draft and oppose the protests against it or something?

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's not kidnapping, it's law, like it or not. But if you have a felon President, I guess law doesn't matter that much.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not kidnapping because it's legal, lmao.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I knew you would get it, eventually.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I have a theoretical question, just to better understand your logic, if you don't mind.

    If I get into power - I will make it legal to hunt down and murder liberals (that's basically what liberals support happening under Zelensky's regime to me, so I think it's absolutely fair). Obviously it wouldn't be considered murder under my new law (like you don't consider kidnapping a kidnapping), but there would a term for it, like "making word a better place" (a la "arresting draft dodgers") or something like this.

    Now, someone "makes world a better place" to your friends/family/etc. (we assume they are liberals). Will you say that what happened was "world was made a better place", or that those people were murdered?

    If your answer is not "the world was made a better place" - why? How is this situation different from the kidnapping not being kidnapping because there is a law that says it's not?

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is a really convoluted way of asking "is arresting someone the same as kidnapping?" the answer is no.

    Kidnapping is forcibly detaining someone in an illegal fashion. Hence, the police arresting someone for commiting a crime is not "kidnapping", whether you agree with the law or not.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    whether or not you recognize authority committing the forced displacement of a human being against their will determines whether or not it is a kidnapping.

    if we we're to end up with east-ukraine and west-ukraine as countries, the east ukrainians would probably classify them as abductions by west ukrainian forces.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I would love to discuss alternative realities, but I'm talking about the real world, where there's a draft, with consequences for dodging it. So, no. By definition it's not "kidnapping".

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    it's a reality, in all but name, and it's also a reality that this war no longer has a point without trump, forcing someone else to go die for it is beyond pointless or evil; it's worse than kidnapping.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    it’s a reality, in all but name

    (confusion)

    this war no longer has a point without trump

    I agree this war has no point. Russia tried to invade Ukraine and couldn't. Their "liberate Kyyv in one week" goal is like, 3 years behind schedule? And just got some life-saving oxygen due to Trump. Trump is immaterial. In case you don't follow international politics, no one is seriously counting on him for any war scenario.

    it’s worse than kidnapping.

    It could be worse than "kidnapping", but it's still not "kidnapping".

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

    Taking someone against their will and putting them in a cell that they can't escape sure seems to fit the definition to me!

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