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Trump, Vance Clash With Zelensky During White House Meeting
(news.antiwar.com)
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it's a reality, in all but name means that people are already being taken against their will (ie kidnapping); but it's not being called kidnapping because the west ukranians are in control (for now).
Glad we agree it's not kidnapping then.