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[β] udon@lemmy.world 89 points 2 years ago (4 children) Taxes are not the problem. Billionaires grabbing the money on the other side are the problem. Know the difference permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago The people most capable of carrying the tax burden are the people most likely to cheat their way out of paying taxes. permalink fedilink source parent [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Lol yeah because taxes are the problem. It's supposed to be more tax for rich less for poor. You have literally done a 360 reverse Robin Hood no scope self own with the taxes. Because they are the problem. They would change everything if a normal person would tax the demonic corporate entities and stop taxing and punishing your own veteran old people but nah, it's only a problem when it affects billionaires permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Just look at high tax countries, like Sweden, Finland, Norway. They are pretty functional, although not perfect, with pretty well-working social systems. Look at countries that are all about avoiding taxes like... the US. Look at the UK, and what Thatcherism did to it. Social services are falling apart, if still existing at all. Whoever says taxes are a problem, implicitly says schools, streets, firefighters, ... should be privately owned. And guess who would be the private owners and what they are going to do with prices :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. There's fact and there's fiction. It's to me no doubt that privatisation breeds enshittification permalink fedilink source parent [β] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is a strange combination of wrong and right. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Dont forget actively using the government against the people permalink fedilink source parent [+] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works -17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Taxes are also the problem in countries like the US and China wherein income tax only exists to remove currency from circulation. There's plenty of other ways to do that in a digital world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah having to do your taxes yourself is fucking archaic and stupid. They know how much you owe them. Either deduct that when people are paid (falls on the employer) or just tell people what they owe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, again, the taxes are not the problem, but the bad design of the deduction process. The war on taxes, especially in the US but also in Europe, is a strategy from the right and neoliberals to cut down on social welfare and essentially redistribute money to the rich. Taxes are good and important, but it's difficult to figure out what to tax and by how much, and how to use the money well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's certainly taxes, I paid income tax and they revised the rates at least once while I was living there. No sales tax that I noticed but that's not the only tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The rich would just use crypto permalink fedilink source parent
[β] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago The people most capable of carrying the tax burden are the people most likely to cheat their way out of paying taxes. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Lol yeah because taxes are the problem. It's supposed to be more tax for rich less for poor. You have literally done a 360 reverse Robin Hood no scope self own with the taxes. Because they are the problem. They would change everything if a normal person would tax the demonic corporate entities and stop taxing and punishing your own veteran old people but nah, it's only a problem when it affects billionaires permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Just look at high tax countries, like Sweden, Finland, Norway. They are pretty functional, although not perfect, with pretty well-working social systems. Look at countries that are all about avoiding taxes like... the US. Look at the UK, and what Thatcherism did to it. Social services are falling apart, if still existing at all. Whoever says taxes are a problem, implicitly says schools, streets, firefighters, ... should be privately owned. And guess who would be the private owners and what they are going to do with prices :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. There's fact and there's fiction. It's to me no doubt that privatisation breeds enshittification permalink fedilink source parent [β] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is a strange combination of wrong and right. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] udon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Just look at high tax countries, like Sweden, Finland, Norway. They are pretty functional, although not perfect, with pretty well-working social systems. Look at countries that are all about avoiding taxes like... the US. Look at the UK, and what Thatcherism did to it. Social services are falling apart, if still existing at all. Whoever says taxes are a problem, implicitly says schools, streets, firefighters, ... should be privately owned. And guess who would be the private owners and what they are going to do with prices :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. There's fact and there's fiction. It's to me no doubt that privatisation breeds enshittification permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago Exactly. There's fact and there's fiction. It's to me no doubt that privatisation breeds enshittification permalink fedilink source parent
[β] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This is a strange combination of wrong and right. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Dont forget actively using the government against the people permalink fedilink source parent
[+] yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works -17 points 2 years ago (2 children) Taxes are also the problem in countries like the US and China wherein income tax only exists to remove currency from circulation. There's plenty of other ways to do that in a digital world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah having to do your taxes yourself is fucking archaic and stupid. They know how much you owe them. Either deduct that when people are paid (falls on the employer) or just tell people what they owe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, again, the taxes are not the problem, but the bad design of the deduction process. The war on taxes, especially in the US but also in Europe, is a strategy from the right and neoliberals to cut down on social welfare and essentially redistribute money to the rich. Taxes are good and important, but it's difficult to figure out what to tax and by how much, and how to use the money well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's certainly taxes, I paid income tax and they revised the rates at least once while I was living there. No sales tax that I noticed but that's not the only tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [β] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The rich would just use crypto permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah having to do your taxes yourself is fucking archaic and stupid. They know how much you owe them. Either deduct that when people are paid (falls on the employer) or just tell people what they owe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, again, the taxes are not the problem, but the bad design of the deduction process. The war on taxes, especially in the US but also in Europe, is a strategy from the right and neoliberals to cut down on social welfare and essentially redistribute money to the rich. Taxes are good and important, but it's difficult to figure out what to tax and by how much, and how to use the money well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's certainly taxes, I paid income tax and they revised the rates at least once while I was living there. No sales tax that I noticed but that's not the only tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah having to do your taxes yourself is fucking archaic and stupid. They know how much you owe them. Either deduct that when people are paid (falls on the employer) or just tell people what they owe. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, again, the taxes are not the problem, but the bad design of the deduction process. The war on taxes, especially in the US but also in Europe, is a strategy from the right and neoliberals to cut down on social welfare and essentially redistribute money to the rich. Taxes are good and important, but it's difficult to figure out what to tax and by how much, and how to use the money well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent
[β] udon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, again, the taxes are not the problem, but the bad design of the deduction process. The war on taxes, especially in the US but also in Europe, is a strategy from the right and neoliberals to cut down on social welfare and essentially redistribute money to the rich. Taxes are good and important, but it's difficult to figure out what to tax and by how much, and how to use the money well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent
[β] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So.. You mean they are a problem permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent
[β] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago No, you can't read a complex sentence permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) There's certainly taxes, I paid income tax and they revised the rates at least once while I was living there. No sales tax that I noticed but that's not the only tax. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not the argument you were making. You said there were no taxes. Income tax is a tax even if you don't pay it at certain levels. In the US if you make under something like 20k a year that is also effectively tax exempt due to low income. Doesn't mean there are no taxes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[β] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The rich would just use crypto permalink fedilink source parent