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Google Chrome disables uBlock Origin for some in Manifest v3 rollout (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
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[+] 34 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (46 children)
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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Mainly that Google intentionally makes its sites (like YouTube or Google Docs) slower and less useable when they detect you're using Firefox, and/or ad blockers (which you need Firefox to use, so same difference).

    It's mostly fixable with add-ons and userscripts (and eventually, one hopes, with an antitrust lawsuit), but it's still a hassle.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/youtube-responds-to-delayed-loading-in-rival-browser-complaints, for instance.

    Or https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has-sabotaged-firefox-for-years/, for an older one.

    As for how to fix it, Mozilla tend to do a pretty good job of eventually working around Google's bullshit, so keeping the browser updated is a good first step.

    Since Google tends to roll this stuff out regionally and doing A/B testing, though, the best way is to identify what specific handicap they're hassling you with (which specific features don't work or don't work right, when they work properly on chrome), and look for an updated add on or userscript to fix that particular issue.

    Or you can just look for a generic YouTube or Google Docs "enhancer" add on and hope it fixes the issue without making the whole user experience too different from what you're used to.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Would you happen to know whether this is something that a UserAgent spoofer would suffice to get around?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    At one particular point it was, if I recall correctly, though Chrome also (mis)implements some standards its own way, so Google might also use that as a form of attack against anyone who implements them properly, much like Microsoft did in the bad old IE6 days...

    It's all a silly arms race, though, with Google coming up with new ways to enshittify the web for anyone not using Chrome or using ad blockers and Mozilla and ad blocker (and alternative YouTube frontend) developers trying to figure out what they broke this time and how to fix it, so what worked yesterday might not work today and work again tomorrow.

    It's all a profoundly stupid waste of everyone's time and resources (all for a few more ad views) which will hopefully end up with Google losing their monopoly position on the web like the Internet Explorer bullshit did for Microsoft, but will keep being a major hassle for everyone until it does.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I very much dislike Mozilla's direction over the last decade. They're introducing user-hostile features that subtly break normal browsing experience, even when disabled[0]. Not like Google is better, but I'm also trying to get away from Mozilla.

    [0] On Firefox Mobile, there's a "feature" which makes the address bar auto-complete domains of companies paying Mozilla. I noticed this with Netflix - I never visit, but when I start writing a URL with n, roughly every 10th time Netflix was suggested. You can disable this feature, but this doesn't actually disable it. The address bar no longer auto-completes with Netflix, instead it just doesn't autocomplete! So 9/10 times I can write n and press Enter, but 1/10 times I press n and search for the letter n.

    Mozilla doesn't care whether they break features, as long as they can make more money. I strongly dislike this approach by the supposedly "good" browser manufacturer.

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  • [+] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Sadly not, I'd also be interested in one!

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  • [+] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    No, it's still 100% owned and 100% controlled by Google.

    The Linux Foundation is just making it easier for people outside of Google to submit work to it.

    Cynically, you could say that Google is just trying to get free contributions while retaining all the control. Optimistically you could say this is the first step in Google giving up control of Chromium in the far future, although currently they've given zero verbal or written indicators that they plan to do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    GNOME Web if on Linux

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Download fennec it's the fork of ff mobile with less of the cruft.

    I don't know if it has fixed that specific problem, but I can't recall seeing it

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Too many people complain about the UI and claim it's "outdated, ugly, unusable". I find that funny because you can make FF look almost like anything you want, and I personally hate chrome's UI.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Well, you USED to be able to, anyways, but they've slowly moved to a less customisable ui. Now you have to use extensions from outside websites to even do simple stuff like have a multi-row tab bar.

    Not to mention Firefox seems to break them every year or so.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm one of those complaining about the UI. Used the TabMixPlus extension to adjust the UI to my liking. FF killed it. So, I started customizing the UI CSS. Every few versions, Mozilla changed the browser enough to invalidate my changes. After a while, I got tired of thiz and switched to Vivaldi, which is Chromium based.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I have no idea either. Sure, chrome is a little faster but its a minor difference in my opinion. Been using it for a long time and have no idea why it's so unpopular.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    No horizontal tab grouping. Tab groups on Chrome are perfect, and the Firefox tab extensions all suck in comparison.

    That said, I'm still using Firefox today because the internet is unusable without a good ad blocker.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    In Australia it won't save card details. And it can't natively create app shortcuts for things like Gmail, keep, whatsapp etc.

    I put up with it but it's a pain compared to chrome and edge.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You could probably convince a third-party password storage program to store and auto-type details like that. Preferably one that doesn't need internet access to work.

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  • [+] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Just double-checked with the help manual of the one I use (PasswordSafe) and it looks like it can do it. Never actually tried it though, which is one of the reasons I didn't mention it previously.

    At the risk of sounding like an ad (I'm not affiliated, just a someone who found it in their Linux distro's package manager), there are versions of it for pretty much any device. I definitely can't vouch for the feature set(s) of the other versions, though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I advocate Firefox, but I must admit I personally am affected by regular crashes on Firefox desktop. Mostly when I enter a page I haven't visited before (randomly though).

    I don't know if others are affected by this, and I still recommend Firefox regardless, but every crash leaves a sour taste in my mouth. As it is not widespread, it might just be my setup, but still.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's not normal. You should go to the support pages and see if there is a fix. And it could be an addon causing the issue, not FF itself. I had that issue many years back.

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