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USB-C confirmed for the iPhone 15 in new leaked images - Macworld (www.macworld.com)

submitted 3 years ago by aranym@lemmy.name to c/technology@beehaw.org

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We’ve known that the iPhone is switching to USB-C for a while now, but there was always a possibility that Apple would stick with Lightning for one more year. Based on the latest leaked images, however, Apple is all-in on USB-C for the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro models, with USB-C parts for the iPhone 15, iPhone 15 Plus, and iPhone 15 Pro Max all shown in a leaked image by X user fix Apple.

With the switch to USB-C, nearly all of Apple’s devices will have adopted the new standard, with only AirPods, Mac accessories, and the iPhone SE remaining aside from older iPhones and the 9th-gen iPad.

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 10 points 3 years ago (20 children)

Remember that this is Apple, the company which has already been crippling its phones with lightning for the past decade(?). Although you're probably right about them just going with whatever and then marketing the crap out of it.

As for ditching all physical ports, I was honestly thinking that'd probably be the road they'd go just to spite the EU. Oh well, I guess there's always next gen?

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 8 points 3 years ago (19 children)

Crippling? Lightning is way easier to use than usb c and USB C literally didn’t even exist a decade ago, no clue what you’re on about. Yeah USB C is really nice, but lightning doesn’t get junk in the ports and in general is a much sturdier connector and for the time was a much better option than all the other ports. I didn’t even use apple at the time and it was clearly superior to things like usb superspeed and all the other proprietary junk that other manufacturers had.

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 11 points 3 years ago* (13 children)

lightning doesn’t get junk in the ports

How the heck are you getting gunk in your USB C ports? 🤨

for the time

Indeed, it was probably fine ten years ago. But, as Mac Address (among many others) rightly pointed out, transferring gigabytes of HD video over a shoddy USB 2.0 line is a less-than-ideal experience.

way easier to use than usb c

How?

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[–] Auk@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

How the heck are you getting gunk in your USB C ports? 🤨

How are you not getting lint and dust in your USB C ports? Not really a problem with computers due to the cleaner usage environment but I have to clean out the port on my phone every few months or the cable will start losing connection at the slightest bump.

I wouldn't expect Lightning is immune from this either but it likely is less of an issue there due to having less narrow gaps for lint to get caught in the port.

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[–] Someusernamehuh@reddthat.com 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

I've had my phone for near 4 years now and have never once had to clean out the charging port or the headphone jack for that matter. What are you doing to have that issue?

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[–] Auk@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Just carrying it in my pocket all day, nothing unusual. I might get a bit more lint forming or dust falling into my pocket than some people since I have a fairly active job but that applies to many others too. It's not just a USB-C thing either as I found micro USB to similarly build up stuff inside the port. Headphone jacks I never had a problem with when I had a phone or mp3 player with one, I guess they're less prone to this issue.

Edit: Never had issues with lint build up in the old Nokia charger port either, micro USB was the first port I really noticed it happening with.

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 4 points 3 years ago*

I don't know, but given the apparent volume of people having this issue I'm starting to think I might just have a special talent. Maybe my case is getting in the way?

Edit: okay I actually went and shined a light in my Pixel 7 Pro's port. It has the tiniest bit of dust build-up but nothing that's prevented my charger from working properly. Unfortunately, my speaker grills have not been so lucky.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 3 years ago (6 children)

How the heck are you getting gunk in your USB C ports? 🤨

I’m not, but other commenters in this thread are. And with the internal pin in the female connector you have a much higher risk of damage, also the connector is larger. Also have you never had lint get into a phone connector in your pocket? That was a huge issue for years with my Android phones. I had it fuck up my Dell streak port all the time.

I have an iPhone and have never had anything get stuck in the port, unlike all the Android stuff I’ve owned. But like I said, other commenters in here are complaining about things getting stuck in their USB C ports.

Indeed, it was probably fine ten years ago. But, as Mac Address (among many others) rightly pointed out, transferring gigabytes of HD video over a shoddy USB 2.0 line is a less-than-ideal experience.

Huh? Why in the world would you be doing that? And shoddy? Haha dude, usb 2 ran the world fine fora decade and continues to work fine today. Lightning supports up to USB 3 anyway, but USB C came out and they didn’t bother expanding their cable selection.

How?

No need to worry about whether the cable you’re using supports PD, bidirectionality, hdmi, etc. All lightning cables are the same. Power and data. I literally have a device to plug usb c cables into to verify what they support. Even Android news sites agree it’s a mess.

I’ve soldered up USB C cables. They’re not “it just works” like lightning is. I don’t even use lightning anymore since I wireless charge everything but apple not putting usb c on their phones is completely inconsequential and really not the massive deal everyone thinks it is.

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 4 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

Also have you never had lint get into a phone connector in your pocket?

No.

Huh? Why in the world would you be doing that? And shoddy? Haha dude, usb 2 ran the world fine fora decade and continues to work fine today. Lightning supports up to USB 3 anyway, but USB C came out and they didn’t bother expanding their cable selection.

Because some people actually use their iPhone to record videos, since the iPhone has a pretty damn good video camera. I'll just link this excerpt from Mac Address that I hinted at before.

No need to worry about whether the cable you’re using supports PD, bidirectionality, hdmi, etc. All lightning cables are the same. Power and data.

USB C is a mess, sure. But if your solution to that is to try and justify sticking with an old, proprietary standard that supports only a fraction of the features of the competitor, then I guess it's your money to burn.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

USB C is a mess, sure. But if your solution to that is to try and justify sticking with an old, proprietary standard that supports only a fraction of the features of the competitor, then I guess it’s your money to burn.

I most definitely am not doing that. Lightning was good for the time, and the benefits of USB C now are overwhelming (compared to a few years ago). What I am talking about is the blatant whitewashing of the past. USB C didn't exist, and the lightning cable was amazing for what it replaced. Absolutely astounding honestly. And the connector still is. But time moves on. But lots of people love to hate on Apple and just completely ignore history.

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* (3 children)

I have not and would not deny that, for the time, lightning was a hell of a lot better than micro USB and whatever other shit we had going on. That said, it's missing a lot of must-have modern features that myself (and others who need > USB 2 transfer speeds) would need. Type C is a mess, but I'm not to be convinced that Apple isn't more than capable of implementing it in a manner which offers a far better experience than what lightning is offering now. Either way, the deed seems to be done and Apple appears to be gearing up to offer Type C. I can only hope that they can do so in such a manner as to push other smartphone manufacturers to up the ante as well (looking at Google with its crippled Type C implementation on the Pixel.)

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Apple will definitely not sell a single type c cable that isn't capable of at least 30W PD, so they can charge a shit ton for them, even if the product will never use 30W charging. Actually not sure about that. I should go check my beats cable to see what PD it's capable of.

What's up with the Pixel's Type C impl?

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Google, unlike many of their competitors, doesn't support display out on the Pixel. (Maybe to incentive people to use Chromecast?) I originally thought this was a feature they had and then removed, but apparently they actually never had it at all. Either way maybe we'll see Apple do some impressive things with the PD on their implementation... Or add a lint filter to it ;)

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 3 years ago

lol daisy chaining your 3 5k monitors with your cell phone!

weird that the pixel doesn't allow display out. wonder if it caused massive battery problems or screen overheating or something. that's usually why they outright disable features like that.

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[–] jemorgan@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Do you not have pocket lint build up in your phone’s ports over time?

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[–] MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago

No.

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[–] DJDarren@beehaw.org 7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Also, I feel like not enough people appreciate just how much shit Apple got for moving everything from the 30 pin to Lightning. There was a barrage of comments across the message boards from people bitching about how they'd have to replace their iPod docks and all the cables they'd amassed. There was no way Apple would have gone through that again lightly to switch to a new standard that wasn't mature.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

I completely agree. It was terrible how bad all the connectors were (including that fucking 30 pin, my god I hated that fucking thing) before lightning. This includes micro and mini USB.

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[–] DJDarren@beehaw.org 2 points 3 years ago

I quite like the 30 pin, though that may be because I coveted iPods at the time but couldn't afford one. I had a couple of Sony hard disc Walkman, which seemed to have a different connector every damn time, meaning you couldn't buy one dock like you could with an iPod. On top of that, it was a solid connection that clicked nicely every time. But yeah, ya boy was wiiiiiide. I have a dozen of them knocking about now, as my little collection of iPods grows...

Also, it's hilarious that Samsung straight up copied the 30 pin for their original Tab, but flipped the pin position so the cables weren't interchangeable.

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[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

They released lightning about 3 years before the first USB-C phones, so they could have worked with the standard, delay the connector switch a bit, and use USB-C. They could even have released the first USB-C phone if they're so keen on being "innovative".

That would have save their users from 10 years of incompatible connectors.

But Apple never cared about standards, on the contrary they choose lock-in over standards whenever they can.

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[–] snowe@programming.dev 1 point 3 years ago

I really cannot tell if you're joking or not...

They released lightning about 3 years before the first USB-C phones

3 and a half years before the first usb c phones showed up in china. It was 4 years until it showed up anywhere else.

so they could have worked with the standard,

They literally did work together to create the standard.

delay the connector switch a bit,

You seriously have to be joking. Stop working on getting rid of their shit 30 pin connector that everyone had been complaining about for literally a decade? Why in the world would they stop development for something that was never guaranteed to actually make it out of a standards body? Standards don't just pop up at a set time. They had no clue USB Type-C would succeed or if it did, how long it would take. Not only that, but it's not like they just started developing lightning in 2012. They had to have been developing it for several years, along with the phones to go with it. This is honestly the most ridiculous suggestion I think I've seen in this thread.

They could even have released the first USB-C phone if they’re so keen on being “innovative”.

... they were innovative. They released the first symmetrical connector for a phone, ~4 years before anyone else. Theirs was (and still is) thinner and more robust than other phone connectors. You're literally just trying to rewrite history.

That would have save their users from 10 years of incompatible connectors.

dude.. like.. are you seriously joking? why in the world do you think this?

But Apple never cared about standards, on the contrary they choose lock-in over standards whenever they can.

... this is where you clearly reveal that you are ignorant on this topic. Apple (and every tech giant) collaborates on standards all the time. Please. seriously. Go look at any standard and you will find apple, google, facebook, etc. on the standards body.

You might go 'oh iMessage'. Well apple did try to create a standard for iMessage. Carriers didn't want it

Just because you believe all the apple hate doesn't mean it's true. Just like believing that Google sells your data doesn't mean it's true. Sometimes you have to research stuff yourself.

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