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Honestly? In 2025? In the real world? Apple is the only alternative. And it really actually hurts my soul to type this reply out. I hate Apple. I think they are clowns. I hate closed platforms, and I think Mac's are trash because of it. I have used every single version of Android. All of them, even pre-stable. The only alternative to Google is 2025, in regards to a mobile OS that works with my services and devices that I already own is iOS. The only way to get that is to buy a phone from Apple. And 'normies' care VERY MUCH about being able to use their already purchased shit. I wish Europe or Asia would actually try to compete against US big tech. It's a very strange marketplace, nearly the entire planet trusts US companies with basically their entire infrastructure. The only major players in computing are US based companies, aside from MAYBE Canonical/Ubuntu. In the mobile market, I don't see a way out of the duopoly at the current moment. If my phone died today I would replace it with an iPhone. And I wouldn't be happy about it.
Nah. If it's a choice between GrapheneOS on a pixel or an iPhone I'd take my chances with the pixel.
It would be pretty easy to detect if there was unexpected traffic with any google services.
You do you but IMO Graphene is your best chance in 2025.
Why? Not trying to be a dick about it, I just want to hear your justification. Thanks.
Not the OP but I find it really curious you trust Apple's custom silicon over Google's in such a way that you seem rather confident with your locked down, Apple-controlled OS... unless you root it but then GL getting security updates, which kinda defeats the whole point.
There are a lot of risk vectors and frankly if we're getting to the immutable silicon level the exploits are probably going to be filed under direct targeting level privacy concerns. GrapheneOS is really mature and has security experts so good at their jobs they occasionally apply security patches before Google, with all its funding, does.
Apple and Google were both caught providing push notification data (e.g. the service underpinning most of the notifications appearing on your device) to the authorities. Not to mention Apple argued in a court case that it's "unreasonable" for an Apple user to presume their activities are private from Apple. I believe that particular court case was about them constructing ad profiles on their users.
It's genuinely absurd to me that you just vaguely threw out some kind of blanket concern with Google's underlying hardware. I'd really love to hear if that's based on anything material. From information I know is real and privacy concerns that have been explicitly justified, GrapheneOS is the best choice on the market atm.