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[–] Oneser@lemm.ee 26 points 3 years ago (4 children)

As I commented above, the regulation clearly states "any additional charging protocol allows for the full functionality of PD.. irrespective of the charging device used."

So they can't have both unless they split EU & RoW devices.

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[–] CleoTheWizard@beehaw.org 12 points 3 years ago

I hadn’t heard this. Good on the EU not letting them squirrel out of this (hopefully)

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[–] HairHeel@programming.dev 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

The question is more about "how much" of PD they support right? Like PD has standards for charging at higher or lower currents.

My understanding of the current-gen MacBook Pro is that they support some kind of "fast charging", but only if you use their MagSafe port. You can still charge on the USB-C ports, but not as fast as you could with MagSafe. I'm not sure if that's a violation of the regulations, or if PD simply doesn't have support for the amount of power they're pushing through the MagSafe.

But I think the point is that they'll continue to look for ways to offer a better experience with their proprietary stuff, even if they're forced to support a standard in addition.

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[–] DonnieDarkmode@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago

Interestingly all Apple silicon Macs support fast-charging via USB C. The 16-inch can only do 140W fast-charging via MagSafe, but that makes sense since ports that support charging speeds >100W are fairly new

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[–] Oneser@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago

Laptops are being gradually added to the list of devices within scope of this change. It only counts for any new device being sold on the market after the changes take effect.

The clause only makes sure that chargers do not limit, when connected to competitors devices. The regulation is coming from an e-waste perspective, which the EU has made it clear that it is not interested in entertaining or letting companies push them around.

https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-10713-2022-INIT/x/pdf

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[–] moitoi@feddit.de 13 points 3 years ago

No:

In so far as they are capable of being recharged via wired charging at voltages higher than 5 volts, currents higher than 3 amperes or powers higher than 15 watts, the categories or classes of radio equipment referred to in point 1 letters a) to m) shall:

(a) incorporate the USB Power Delivery, as described in the standard EN IEC 62680-1- 2:2021 ‘Universal serial bus interfaces for data and power - Part 1-2: Common components - USB Power Delivery specification’;

(b) ensure that any additional charging protocol allows the full functionality of the USB Power Delivery referred to in point (a), irrespective of the charging device used.

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[–] oktoberpaard@feddit.nl 8 points 3 years ago

The regulation actually enforces that PD is implemented if high speed charging is available and that it can’t be limited in speed compared to any other charging protocol that’s also available on the device, irrespective of the charging device used.

We don’t need to guess if we can just read the regulation: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX:32022L2380&qid=1691523718368.