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it's good to look in the mirror and understand the material outcomes of voter behavior (lemmy.cafe)
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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] 16 points 2 years ago (22 children)

It's mostly information warfare from the various social media. There have already been a few analyses showing that pro-Republican anti-Democrat sentiment was algorithmically pushed on tiktok, Facebook, X(obviously), Instagram, YouTube, etc. I do believe a lot of people even here on lemmy were Russian/Chinese just stoking the flames because a divided america is good for them.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I think there are significantly more "useful idiots" than actual state actors trying to sow division. Most of them probably had good intentions, they just refused to listen to reason.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    It's a funny and depressing situation that Lemmy users are so adamant that no one could possibly have a different perspective than them and if they do they must be Russian assets.

    Despite those exact positions being reflected in real human American/western political voices--when it shows up in our special little space suddenly it's spoooooky foreign astroturfing. I believe the kids call that behavior "cope." XD

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Oh there's certainly real belief too but the "loudness" is certainly amplified beyond what it would usually be. A lot of those accounts have been entirely silent on the conflict since the election which is suspicious to me.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look? For me, I still see a lot of pro-Palestine sentiment. But to me, it makes nothing but sense that after the election people stop talking about... the election, y'know? You'll notice MAGA voices also stopped talking about the election too, haha.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I got better things to do than go back and find them. Just a trend I noticed. I still see pro Palestinian sentiment (which i agree with) but i don't see the level of blame assignment Biden and Dems got. I see some outrage about like the golden pager but not about rereleasing 2ton bombs. For people who seemed so single-issue its odd.

    I mean yeah why would anyone talk about the election anymore unless they've got some new take or perspective on why dems lost.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    fair enough!

    for what it’s worth i’m probably one of the people you thought was a russian troll. so here’s some blame for old time’s sake: Biden is partially responsible for the estimated 200k deaths in Gaza and still has blood on his hands. i voted for Harris but like many i advocated for her to diverge from Biden on Gaza for her entire campaign.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's not the view the people I'm talking about were voicing. The people I'm talking about were saying Biden/Harris or Trump would be the same for Gaza so they weren't going vote or were voting third party that way magically the blood isn't on their hands. "How is Trump worse for Gaza?" was a common response to calling them out.

    This take of vote harris and advocate for her to do better on Gaza is not the take I was seeing and it's not one I have an issue with since it was my view as well. Espousing that view in those threads just resulted in obtuse takes per the above.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago

    ah also fair! I only assumed because i myself have also been accused of being a Russian operative many times

    I guess the real "both sides" was all along just the answer to "who here works in a troll farm?" ;P

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look?

    They won't, it's a talking point they were always going to deploy and has nothing to do with evidence. Of course, political discourse was always going to die down after the election, and there's also several accounts they're not seeing because they got banned (lol). BlueAnon isn't based on reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They see us speaking up in every thread like this and still... At dinner some point you get so sick of it you just stop responding because the election is over.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Of course there's absolutely evidence of pro-Republican, anti-Democrat manipulation. But find me evidence algorithm manipulation of pro-Palestine anti-Democrat sentiment. Otherwise you are doing some pretty hateful fearmongering.

    The "everyone on here is a Russian bot" narrative here is so embarrassing. Get real.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    All the .ml crap that is suddenly silent was often revealed to be pro-ccp accounts doing exactly that.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Source?

    Downvotes aren't citations, I'm asking for proof of China's actions. Don't downvote and ignore the truth like Republicans.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Go read old posts, I'm not here to spoon feed you out of your ignorance.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    So that's a no on giving a source on that claim like Republicans..

    Edit: Downvotes aren't citations.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Why would I save links to ML clowns getting called out or shown to be shills? What an absurd thing to request. Source: Lemmy. Dig deeper on your own, it's not my job.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    "Why would I save links to democrats getting proven to be shills by Soros? Dig deeper on your own. It's not my job!"

    So that's a no on "I have a source for my claim" like Republicans and religious beliefs.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't be dumb enough to ask for that, so your argument is invalid. As for the last bit, I was clear, your inability to comprehend, or whatever you have to do to validate your ignorance isn't my problem. Do better.

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