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As much as Trump is absolutely terrible, Biden was equally responsible for the large number of COVID deaths. His administration made the CDC completely abandon masking, ventilation, and other preventative guidance, almost completely abandon or hide COVID statistics, and he also said that the pandemic was "over". Credit both of them, a pair of terrible presidents.
No he wasn't. You don't blame the guy who gets on the train after it was allowed to get up to speed and run out of control, for not being able to stop it fast enough.
You got a little bit of a point. Even if "equally" may be an exaggeration, you can certainly blame Biden for essentially dropping the push for masking, ventilation, vaccinations, and reporting of COVID. I do and always will. Like I said, both of them sucked regarding COVID.
"Equally responsible." You're out of your mind. 1 million COVID deaths under Trump. What kind of numbers you got for Biden?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/09/18/covid-19-deaths-under-trump-1-million-fact-check/75197222007/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States
That means that about twice as many people in the US died from COVID under Biden's administration than under Trump's (1.2 million minus 400,000 = 800,000.
Granted, Biden had a lot longer time dealing with the pandemic than Trump did, but this was all just to point out that Biden ALSO sucked in his handling of COVID.
Trump's entire handling of the pandemic including telling his cult members not to respect the advice of professionals continued to kill people until we hit 1 million. That's roughly four months into Biden's presidency. You can't lay any of that on Biden.
What effects do you think Biden telling the CDC to stop pushing for masking, ventilation, vaccination, and reporting on COVID, and then telling the country that the pandemic was over had on COVID deaths?
Like I said, yes, Trump did a uniquely terrible job handling COVID (except for project warp speed to push for ultra-fast development of vaccines), but it's flabbergasting to see people speak as if Biden did nothing wrong in his own handling of the pandemic.
I'm not saying he was perfect. I'm saying the ideas pushed by Trump, Qanon, and other far right and conspiracy theory peddlers had already done their damage. By the time Biden took office, everyone had long ago sided with science or conspiracies. I doubt he convinced very many people one way or the other.
Ok, I agree with you more now that Trump really fouled the pool, but that still doesn't excuse Biden essentially saying "fuck it, COVID is over, let 'er rip!"
Agreed.
Ok, I somewhat agree - I think under-reporting happened under both sides, even if Republicans may have done more of it, because both sides had some of the same incentives to do it.
But that's beside the point. I'm just trying to get people to admit that Biden also did a bad job in handling the pandemic, in the interest of truth and acuracy, but I see that that's never going to happen with some people here (not directing this last sentence at you futatorius, but just in general with the people who have replied so far and those who downvoted me).