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"I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So lets boil this down -

nah, they were not empowered to put their hate in practice so much not so long ago, precisely because they couldnt be out in the fucking open without major backlash.

Because they werent allowed to be in the open as if what they do is considered normal and acceptable.

With you so far - clearly. I think my comment was: Forcing the discussion into the open is not where any hate group wants to be... [continued]

They were rightfully considered a threat and treated like so.

... which is exactly what free speech enables. People say shit - other people respond. Freedom of speech/expression does not mean everything said is 'okay' or 'legal' - it means you are protected in your right to say it. It doesn't protect you dealing with the backlash of saying something stupid or hateful. How people choose to respond to it is also a freedom: and most people do not care for nor tolerate hate groups. It works itself out... and from the statement you made: I think you get that.

People frequently will say freedom of speech allows for hate speech - and reality is simply that you cannot stop hate speech from happening no more than you can stop any other crime. You can punish it though - after the fact. We cannot prevent things that haven't happened yet. This isn't minority report - we don't have espers or precrime.

...Which is the point I was making. So to be clear - you disagreed with my statements because...?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

you are overthinking this way too much.

why is "nazis should not be allowed to be nazis in peace" so bad to you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You keep saying this and not providing any credible points as to why two unrelated things are, indeed, the exact same thing.

We should have a vow of silence and no longer speak: then it's impossible to have hate speech!

This is, in essence, the jump you are making. If not - detail for us - how you prevent hate speech. No generalizing.

Aaaand go: ⏱️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

why do i need a "credible source" to say nazis are bad and enabling them is bad?