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A meme captioned "Rednote right now:" followed by an image of an American man saying that everything they were told about China is a lie, and a Chinese woman saying that everything they were told about the US is true.
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[–] 137 points 2 years ago (72 children)

Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean isn't this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?

    Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.

    And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    You keep on coping there little buddy. What's happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Uhhh, not exactly regular people. From what I've seen from the Rednote, at least my feed is wealthy upper-middle or upper class, while the Americans are from low to middle class.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If what you're trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall... Then I would agree with you, but I'd also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as "circle-jerking" about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you'd think.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    ...mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea...

    100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.

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