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[–] 117 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

I'd make an argument for the opposite if we're talking about the general field. The major OEMs are going head first into enshittification, while other companies are building for more open ecosystems.

For anyone looking for a list of manufacturers intentionally trying to make their hardware more compatible with open ecosystems:

  • Framework
  • System76
  • ASRock
  • Minisforum
  • Slimbook (they make the KDE branded laptop)
  • MNT
  • GL.iNet (routers only so far)
  • Penguin
  • Supermicro
  • Star Labs
  • Pine
  • Clevo

I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that are deliberately building intentionally FOR mass compatibility, unlike HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS...etc.

This is not to say there aren't some models from the major manufacturer product lines that aren't widely compatible, but their main focus is not those products.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Hmmmmm, I'll go with Clevo. Because I'm from Cleveland, and it's called Clevo. It's like the PC brand that was too drunk to spell Cleveland. Which is pretty on brand for this city.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s one of those Chinese brands with nonsensical names

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Unlike most, though, Clevo has been around for decades and many, many other brands rebrand and sell their laptops. If you've ever owned a laptop made by a semi-local manufacturer, it's probably a rebranded Clevo.

    What that says about the quality though, I don't know. My laptops have all been non-Clevo-rebrands. But they're an established company at least.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    ASRock servers, minipcs and mitx industrial boards are highly compatible with Linux, and it's intentional. Sometimes trailing chipset versions just to stay that way.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Interesting; I've associated them with just making cheap boards. Is that changing?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Lol. They are one of the few manufacturers that have made consistently solid products and components for decades. Feels like many have already jumped over to being terrible.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They used to make zanier products (the stuff with ULI chipsets and CPU upgrade slots) back in the 2000s when they were a lowend brand competing with ECS. The feature set between boards is less diverse these days.

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    Well, the example I gave above-- in the early Socket 754/939 days, ASRock sold a bunch of boards with an extra slot that would take a daughterboard that contained a Socket AM2 and DDR2 slots which would theoretically allow a significant upgrade on the "same" mainboard. Not sure anyone ever bought it, since it cost as much as a new mainboard.

    The most famous example of this style of weirdness was the ECS PF88, which could be equipped with a Socket 939, LGA775, or a Pentium M depending on daughtercard choices.

    But there was also some novel features-- motherboards with tube amplifiers on board (AOpen AX4B-533), a few generations of "instant boot mini-Linux environments", and some more sophisticated debug tools (I recall some firms trying small LCD displays and voice prompts to replace 7-segment POST code displays-- considering a 128x32 all-points-addressable OLED costs like $1 in quantity of 1, why are those not standard when the motherboard costs $300+?!)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    This reminds me of how I often assume a lesser known brand is a "small player" in a given industry, only to later find out that they provide parts and/or services to all of the well known brands. Kinda like Mitsubishi in the 80's. Their parts and tech were in everything but their name was mostly associated with cheap electronics and small cars.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Bang for bucks, ASRock is really good. I bought a mobo when the first gen of Ryzen came out and it is still rocking today. It supports up to Matisse series cpu. I paid like, 70-80 bucks back then. I had a lot of value out of it.

    It is still living inside a home server and will be soon repurposed into an arcade cabinet.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think my home server build will eventually be based on a used Asrock industrial mainboard. I’ve heard nothing but good feedback.

    I remember them being a bit of a small upstart company years ago when I started paying attention to computer stuff.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    They've been around since the 00s

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Absolutely, but at least for the type of builds I was looking at, which were all gaming machines, Asrock kind of seemed like the more unpredictable budget option.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can say I'll never buy another lenovo product again.

    My laptop is, of course, broken at both hinges due to ridiculously thin and cheap plastic.

    This is inexcusable and only exists to make a few rich people a bit richer.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I want the pine products but every time I see the reviews it seems like they are not the greatest at the more common tasks.

    At some point I want to get an MST if/when my system76 dies. But it's a easy to repair so it will probably be a while.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you're looking for a general purpose device, go Framework. Look at their Refurb store. Very reasonable.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Thanks but a friend of mine had bad experiences with it. Something to do with the power and hinges. Lots of costly repairs on the first year or so.

    Hopefully they fixed the issue.

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