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How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 2 years ago* by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).

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[–] 28 points 2 years ago* (17 children)

The fuck are you on about? Yanukovych, a known Russian puppet, being deposed means that US and Ukraine instigated the war?

Most of these "woke" people are also against the genocide of Palestinians, but go on I suppose.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Most of these “woke” people are also against the genocide of Palestinians, but go on I suppose.

    Unfortunately, not sure about that,
    How many people want Gaza, and Palestine to do the peace, without even talking about a two states solutions..
    I often see, "we want the peace" but, that just mean, israel, you should calm on terror. Nothin more.
    Its really like this meme, but for Palestine,

    I'm woke,

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The democratic one-state solution would make whatever that state would be named (Israel/Palestine/Whatever) majority-Arab and majority-Muslim. That is why people should rationally be for it (because it's an apartheid state otherwise) and should understand that it is the only roadmap to peace between Israelis and Palestinians that does not involve one group wiping out the other.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago*

    I agree, that why i said "without even",
    Because actually, that's even not a state. On the status etc ok, but for real, they have no independance, to say outloud their conditions. They depends of others arabs states.

    But for the one state, without Israel being a Jew nation, national socialism for zionist and without a constitution..., there is a long road, and this road have to start somewhere. Recognizing the legitimacy of the palestinians as people, is maybe a start.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Yanukovych was not a Russian puppet. IMF scuttled EU deal that he worked to sign. Unrealistic/electoral suicide conditions were placed on IMF loan. He wisely chose a Russian loan instead with no conditions. Black flag (US/Nazi) attack on protesters blamed on Yanukovych was the coup. CIA/State handpicked replacements for government, nazi massacre in Odessa, and apartheid ethnostate laws, led to liberation of Crimea. Russia's peaceful Minsk process to provide autonomy to Donbas was used as a delay tactic by Empire to arm Ukrainians, but implicit in their participation was acknowledging Ukraine's nazi problem, and nazi shelling of Donbas. Zelensky admitted his electoral campaign to implement Minsk and denazify Ukraine was a lie. Russian patience telling Ukraine it was time to end the BS with border troop amassments was met with increased massacres of Donbas civilians.

    1 month after special operation started, Ukraine had agreed to Russia's peace terms. US/UK bribed Zelensky into suiciding to the last Ukrainian instead. Blinken/US admitted it is a "strategic imperative to diminish Russia" which cannot be a view simulataneously held without provoking/perpetuating the war that is sold as a jobs program for weapons workers, and "future American control" (Blackrock is American and freely gives all its profits to all Americans) of Ukraine's resources.

    When pathethic evil lies that the 2014 Ukraine coup had any "Ukrainians love" component to it is repeated, you implicitly support every other lie of the US empire. Yeltsin was awesome liberator, and Putin terrible and corrupt is simply brainwashing based on each leader's level of US empire puppetry. The only puppets in the world are those loyal to CIA. The rest are doing their best to survive through alliances/trade not subjugated to US subjugation.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Can I have some of what you're having?

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  • [+] -18 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Ukraine violated minsk agreements. I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
    Read less msm

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Lie less.

    First to yourself, then to everyone you poison with your presence.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    F Ukraine, they are not my problem

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So you admit that you hate Ukraine and this is why you're spouting bullshit lmao

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I admit that I hate when propaganda machine whips people into supporting causes they should not care about.

    I have 0 to gain from Israel killing Muslims or Ukraine fighting Russia.

    This is exactly the same media companies that deny you a right to health care and sustain first past the poll system that keeps 2 shit parties in power.
    When media machine tells u to do something - u need to do the fucking opposite.

    Deny them war, for as long as they deny u right for UHC.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    This is where I'm going to have to tell you that I have more to gain from Ukraine fighting Russia than any American politican does. You see, I'm from a country that would be first in line to be invaded by Russia if NATO ceased to exist. I'll never trust Russia the country, regardless of any purported left-right leaning of their leadership, farther than I could throw it. Which is less than one planck length because it's a pretty big country, attached to the planet, I can't throw it anywhere.

    That's not to say I hate all Russian people or anything. Most of the ones I've known have been chill and hate Putin too.

    Some three decades ago, us Estonians, along with our brothers in Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine and many other country, managed to become free of Russian oppression. Nobody wants it again, and clearly Ukrainians are pretty proud of their independence too, otherwise they'd be laying down their arms en masse.

    I do wish there could be peace, but Putin's ego won't allow him to settle without any significant territorial gains and while there's war, I for sure am rooting for Ukrainians who, idk if you've heard, this, are the defensive side in this war. They did not roll tanks into Russia out of the blue.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    In an interview to Semen Pegov in 2024 former head of DPR Alexander Borodai explained that, in military terms, the Russian intervention in Ukraine should have started already in 2014 but Russia was not ready for that in economic, military and propaganda sense, which is why Russia entered the Minsk Agreements with no intention of complying, but it gave it time to prepare the full-scale invasion.

    https://youtu.be/XK_Mj499Wt0

    Straight from the horse's mouth. Ukraine was forced to sign those agreements at gunpoint. Russia violated it repeatedly and never fully implemented it. And Borodai confirms Russia never intended to keep to the terms.

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