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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don’t really want to litigate specific comments, especially this late at night, but, while I think I see where she’s coming from, I don’t think it’s a shocking overreach that her comments were removed.

You're right, it's not. Which is why I can't get behind the idea of mods making it a rule to remove or ban things that are just a little too celebratory (depending on the mod at the time and their mood)

When you draw a line, some things will be near the line. That’s a pretty unavoidable part of moderating any website.

taking advantage of the groundswell in mass support of this individual

We’re shitposting to each other on a niche forum, we’re not taking advantage of anything to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don’t really want to litigate specific comments, especially this late at night, but, while I think I see where she’s coming from, I don’t think it’s a shocking overreach that her comments were removed.

Well, I and about 80 other people here disagree. She also couldn't come back and defend herself since she was banned too.

When you draw a line, some things will be near the line. That’s a pretty unavoidable part of moderating any website.

Good reasoning not to start drawing unnecessary lines.

We’re shitposting to each other on a niche forum, we’re not taking advantage of anything to do anything.

So is it a shitposting forum, or is it the only ideologically pure umbrella leftist hub? Is this just a casual place where we shitpost so the things we sat don't matter "irl," or is it imperative that we refrain from praising anyone here who is not in line with our ideals lest we "support" a fascist? The answer is that it's always whichever one most fits with the argument someone is trying to make. I have spoken with people I met in the lemmyverse over zoom and then as I got to know them better, directly over our phones. They told me I was one of the biggest reasons they became a leftist, and that they learned what a leftist even was while in the lemmyverse. Maybe you're "not taking advantage of anything to do anything," but don't apply your shortcomings to me.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They banned Awoo? What the fuck

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

she caught a three day, spoke in private to someone, got that three day cleared up, then came back and did the same thing that got her banned in the first place catching a 7 day. She'll be back, people need to chill.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

since she was banned too.

for dm harassment. get a fucking grip.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So is it a shitposting forum, or is it the only ideologically pure umbrella leftist hub?

It is a forum where everyone is already a communist.

What you say here on hexbear, you are saying to an audience of 99.9% communists and 0.1% people who wandered in.

So, praising Luigi here is not “taking advantage of anything to do anything.”

When you are recruiting, off hexbear, say whatever you need to say. Praise Luigi all you want. Most members of the public barely know anything about his reactionary views. But here on Hexbear, which is supposed to be a safe space, his views are common knowledge, and we’re all communists already, so there’s nothing to be gained.

(The italics is just for emphasis, I’m not trying to sound like I’m shouting.)