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The death penalty isn't about punishing criminals.
Society as a whole decides that due to a person's actions and values they can no longer qualify as a person like the rest of us. To be a person you are required to value people's lives. There is no room for choice or debate about this matter, it doesn't matter what your religion or your heritage is, if you are a person, you're required to value the life of other people.
When failure cases like this guy and Dylan roof show up, we have to judge whether or not they're capable of valuing life and if they're not then they're not people. It's that simple. And if you're not a person, your livestock and human livestock is pretty damn worthless, so you might as well slaughter them on the spot.
@danhab99 @Spacebar
Problem is that there are innocent people convicted of crimes, and the death penalty assures that at least one innocent person will be killed for a crime they didn't commit.
That's a high price to pay for the supposed satisfaction of removing a psychopath from the living.
"The Life of David Gale" covers this topic. It's not great, but I might just be biased against Cage and Spacey.
@PlantJam
Yeah, I have a problem with Spacey now as well.
And that movie was pretty badly done.
A stupidly high price requires a stupidly high bar. The bar isn't high enough.
That's a horrifying take.
To say it's as simple as a jury deciding a person is no longer a person and we can then dispose of them? What about the innocent people who've been executed? An acceptable level of collateral damage, even when you admit capital punishment isn't about punishment?
What about when a we decide a whole group of people aren't people? That's happened multiple times throughout history.
And there's the limiting factor. Since there's no way to reverse capital punishment like you can just take someone out of jail; A jury has to have absolutly no doubt and no more possible questions before deciding that this criminal can or can't change. The bar for capital punishment should the 1000 times higher than the next highest bar. It is because of my stance that I'm upset at how often people are condemed to death, capital punishment is being used too loosely and if society isn't capable of dispationatly executing a failed human and instead choose to take their feelings out on the bad guy then captial punishment should be banned.
I don't see what's wrong with acknowledging the fact that some humans are objectivly failures and have no place being compared to the average person. There aren't that many of them, most people (like 98%) are good people and will never beable to be judged like this because noone can possibly be holier than everyone. It's not a hard stance, its a system of value that acknowledges that some people are not actually people. It' noones fault until it can be proven to be someones fault and when it happens you have to clean up.
Ok, bear with me. It's actually as easy as not deciding that groups of people aren't people. Right? You don't have to do that, there's no rule requiring you to do it. People aren't groups and groups aren't people.
We're all collectively better than those people for these simple facts: