▲ 35 ▼ How do you guys explain Ukraine to friends and family members? (lemmygrad.ml) submitted 2 years ago by SovietReporter@lemmygrad.ml to c/asklemmygrad@lemmygrad.ml 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] murmelade@lemmy.ml -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Hmm? What superpower are using Russia as a proxy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago (3 children) Russia has the world's fourth largest economy and the world's second (by some rankings even first) strongest military. It is currently taking on basically all of NATO (which is providing all of the equipment, logistics and intel for Ukraine, basically doing everything but being the cannon fodder) by itself and winning. It is the superpower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure. I thought both sides had to be proxies for it to be a proxy war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Given the narratives about the cold war I can forgive you for saying that but no. One side using a proxy to attack the other side is still IMO a proxy war. They're waging war but via their proxy. I don't think it's requisite for both sides to use a proxy, just one. (Take Vietnam for example, US accused Vietnam of being a Soviet proxy, attacked it directly after its own proxy started losing. Obviously Vietnam was not a Soviet proxy, the US just saw beating on them as a way to attack the Soviets via proxy. Same with Korea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago Yes you're right. I was uninformed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago (3 children) Russia has the world's fourth largest economy and the world's second (by some rankings even first) strongest military. It is currently taking on basically all of NATO (which is providing all of the equipment, logistics and intel for Ukraine, basically doing everything but being the cannon fodder) by itself and winning. It is the superpower. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure. I thought both sides had to be proxies for it to be a proxy war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Given the narratives about the cold war I can forgive you for saying that but no. One side using a proxy to attack the other side is still IMO a proxy war. They're waging war but via their proxy. I don't think it's requisite for both sides to use a proxy, just one. (Take Vietnam for example, US accused Vietnam of being a Soviet proxy, attacked it directly after its own proxy started losing. Obviously Vietnam was not a Soviet proxy, the US just saw beating on them as a way to attack the Soviets via proxy. Same with Korea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago Yes you're right. I was uninformed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sure. I thought both sides had to be proxies for it to be a proxy war. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Given the narratives about the cold war I can forgive you for saying that but no. One side using a proxy to attack the other side is still IMO a proxy war. They're waging war but via their proxy. I don't think it's requisite for both sides to use a proxy, just one. (Take Vietnam for example, US accused Vietnam of being a Soviet proxy, attacked it directly after its own proxy started losing. Obviously Vietnam was not a Soviet proxy, the US just saw beating on them as a way to attack the Soviets via proxy. Same with Korea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago Yes you're right. I was uninformed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Given the narratives about the cold war I can forgive you for saying that but no. One side using a proxy to attack the other side is still IMO a proxy war. They're waging war but via their proxy. I don't think it's requisite for both sides to use a proxy, just one. (Take Vietnam for example, US accused Vietnam of being a Soviet proxy, attacked it directly after its own proxy started losing. Obviously Vietnam was not a Soviet proxy, the US just saw beating on them as a way to attack the Soviets via proxy. Same with Korea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago Yes you're right. I was uninformed! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] murmelade@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago Yes you're right. I was uninformed! permalink fedilink source parent