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If you buy the hardware you should be able to turn it on. Jail breaking is fully moral in that situation.
The self driving is software that uses the hardware so should be paid for IMO. You should also be able to use your own software that’s open source on the hardware you own
Running your own software to control the automotive part of a car is probably not legal, since I assume the process of making a car street legal should requires an audit of said system.
Hmm, well, I hope it is the case, anyway.
Any software that passes whatever local safety standard should be installable (or software that doesn't pass if the car is not being used on public roads).
Otherwise the car is not being sold, it's being rented, and all the advertising that says anything about buying is fraud.
Good luck getting a homebrew OS for tesla cars to pass those tests. I don't even know how that would work. I'd be curious to know what would happen if you would try to register and get a car through the TÜV for example that runs on custom firmware.
The whole internet runs on a homebrew os.
What does that even mean and how is it relevant here? "The internet" isn't a car or piece of hardware.
Well-developed software built by professionals to industry standards and capable of doing a very important job effectively. And homebrew. You might be surprised at what sufficiently motivated nerds are capable of.
Im sorry, I still don't know what you're talking about. What about the internet runs on homebrew and how is it related to cars?
You might not understand what homebrew in a software sense is then full stop. Homebrew in software just means not commercially made/backed.
GNU/Linux and plenty of other open source projects that power your modern life and the internet started the same way.
Homebrew software is unofficial/non-commercial software for systems which were originally set up with proprietary software (like gaming console or in this case car OSs).
That’s the definition for games consoles specifically, I know you pulled it from wiki :)
Every computer that comes preinstalled with windows also falls under your definition though as does any Mac.
Linux was also developed for or spurned by a system that was proprietary and only for educational purposes MINIX.
It's similarly hard to make an airbag or seat belt, but you can still undo the bolt without the manufacturer in another country bricking your car without any considerations of your local laws.
What if your own self driving software causes an accident/death?
What if Teslas own self driving software causes an accident/death?
Tesla is subject to some oversight by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. They recently forced a recall when they weren't satisfied with Tesla's software.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-362000-us-vehicles-over-full-self-driving-software-2023-02-16/
Maybe not ideal, but better than nothing I suppose. What oversight is a homebrew software alternative subject to?
Does Teslas still have a disclaimer that the self-driving features aren't self-driving and that if the driver is using the self driving features and there is an accident Tesla can't be held liable?
No idea, but I'd imagine so.
So it doesn't matter whatever you're using Teslas or a 3rd party software since you, as the driver, are responsible for the outcome.
If it was a matter of installing software on a laptop or phone, I'd agree with you, but installing software on a vehicle that can run over people is another matter, disclaimer or not.
Just like some cars are street legal and some cars are not, some software should be street legal and some software not. If the 3rd party software has been cleared by regulators for your Tesla, I'd be fine with it.
So you're claiming the software in Teslas have been tested and approved by the authorities?
You didn't read the article I linked? Seems they do it after the fact, which is sus imo, but authorities are exerting some level of oversight.