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Mozilla is eliminating its advocacy division, which fought for a free and open web (www.theverge.com)
submitted 2 years ago by [M] to c/technology@beehaw.org
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[–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've been saying for years that Mozilla is a profit-driven corp, just like any other. If they operated at Google's scale, they'd be evil at Google's scale, as well. It's not the first time they've done something like this, and likely won't be the last.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Mozilla is a not-for-profit. Like hospitals, that doesn't mean they don't make profits, it's just that they have to reinvest most of them into the company and it's employees. Speaking of which, those activities are not free and they're not necessarily done just out of the goodness of their hearts. In these trying times in particular, I think we should start realizing that we have to be advocates and supporters for the things we believe in, or else they'll die on the vine. And when they do, we'll be left with the lowest common denominators that simply treat us all like a product.

    Mozilla is the best of the big 4 browsers, it also isn't pushing the whole Manifest 3 crap down our throats. At this point I'm sticking with them until I'm convinced otherwise. I've changed before and I absolutely would again.

    As for losing the advocacy group, it sucks, but if I were in a tough position where I had to choose between advocacy and development, I would stick with my core mission - a stable browser with the features that users want. There are other great Internet advocacy groups out there that do great work (and we need them more than ever). Of course, EFF is one.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    they have to reinvest most of them into the company and it's employees.

    In theory, this would be true. But in Mozilla's case, "reinvesting into its employees" means giving the CEO a pay raise in the same year they did huge layoffs. They may be not-for-profit on paper, but the actions from their execs are exactly the same as you'd see from any other for-profit corp. Being not-for-profit is just an excuse for shitty business practices and doesn't change anything in any significant way, imo.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As for losing the advocacy group, it sucks, but if I were in a tough position where I had to choose between advocacy and development, I would stick with my core mission - a stable browser with the features that users want.

    Okay but they often don't give users what they want, like telemetry, 'privacy respecting' adverts and AI etc.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Okay but they often don't give users what they want

    You should see the state of Firefox on iPad OS. I started using it earlier this year after they finally rolled out support for multiple windows—a feature Safari added in 2019 and Chrome had only a few months later.

    Nice that they finally have this feature, but the browser itself is nearly unusable. It stutters constantly and freezes, locks up, or force reloads with some regularity. In a way that Chrome and Edge (and I assume Safari, though I have never really used that) never do.

    Or on desktop OSes, a website I frequented around 2016–2018 used the column-span CSS property, which Firefox didn't get around to implementing until December 2019.

    It's been very clear for some time that, whether it's because they stretch themselves too thin or some other reason, Mozilla has been failing to continue to deliver an excellent product for their users.

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