blazera comments on The king Bernie Sanders based take.

[+] blazera@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (25 children)

Alright this is gettin a bit much, Bernie endorsed all of this shit. The change he's talking about was on the ballot and he was pushing the conservative coddling moderate.

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[–] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 43 points 2 years ago (1 child)

He was trying to do everything he could to prevent Trump. That meant holding his tongue so as not to encourage people against strategic voting. It's a very dumb system we have, but it's not Bernie's fault we're in it.

Now that the general is over, he can speak his mind again. And probably a hint of getting ahead of the Democratic Party's inevitable blaming of the left for this loss rather than an ounce of introspection.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Not everything, one thing, the same thing everyone here was trying to do, the same thing the DNC was doing, trying to appeal to conservatives. This is the result, no one wanted conservative democrats, but everyone was holding their nose and pushing for it.

Now after the fact people are trying to act like they support progressives.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

He specifically said he doesn't endorse it other than because on each topic, trump is worse.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You know who else trump is worse than? Everyone! Bernie, AOC, jill stein, cornell west, any progressive.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yup! But only one person had enough votes to potentially beat trump, which is how the system is designed. I checked last night, and I don't remember the exact number, but Cornell West received something like 0.67% of the votes in my State. Knowing how the system works, we had one option to prevent a far right government, and it was a less right government. I didn't design the system, I just live in it.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No one had enough votes to beat trump, and no one had any votes before everyone decided to hold their nose and half-assed support a candidate no one liked. Yeah, West and Stein and any other potential progressive candidate did poorly, everyone here was actively breaking their knees to knock them out of the race. From daily, hourly propaganda against everything but their policy, to actually banning them from participating in states elections. Everyone here fought more against progressive candidates than they did trump.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because they know how these things go. Everyone here is an even smaller percentage of Americans than the number of people who voted for West. You can't control the way that the average person is going to think and vote. But you can recognize it and try to support the lesser evil, or refuse to recognize it and maybe end up with the greater evil. Sorry, I don't make the rules, or it would have turned out very differently. Obviously a bunch of people said "I'm not voting for the lesser evil because of XYZ reason", so here we are with the greater evil.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

They know how these things go? Its past tense now and we both know how things went. Your candidate that you don't even like lost astoundingly, thats how things went, thats the outcome all of you were pushing for.

If your candidate loses its voters fault, but if my candidate loses its the candidates fault. Your candidate was a piece of shit nobody liked, with an outcome people like me saw coming.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Simma downa. She wasn't my candidate and I didn't vote for her. I'm just conveying the rational. Everyone knew what the only possible choice was to try to stop trump. To be clear, I didn't vote for her because I live in a very blue state, and knew I could safely make my stand without increasing the odds of a trump win.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (15 children)

What else was he to do? Sometimes the lesser of 2 evils is the only choice.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (14 children)

Endorse an even lesser evil, perhaps even popular good? Why was Kamala the only person in the world that wasnt Trump?

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (13 children)

Because no one else could win.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

She didnt win. Thats literally the only thing you see in her, and even that is not there.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (11 children)

And what, you think Putin’s favorite Jill Stein would? Cornel West?

She came far and away the closest.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

With a Bernie endorsement? Without democrats fighting to ban them from even being allowed to run? If progressive voters supported progressive candidates?

But nah, theres a photo of Jill and Putin in proximity of eachother. And you cant even bother to think of a reason to oppose West.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (9 children)

There was a zero percent chance them winning, Bernie endorsement or no.

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (8 children)

There was a zero percent chance of Kamala winning. You cant hide behind that electability argument anymore because it turns out the candidate you supported wasnt "electable"

Oh but youll blame the voters for that one. If only they voted for your candidate they would have won. Well guess what happens if voters voted for my candidate? Yall held your nose and half assed supported a candidate none of you like. Like that was ever gonna beat Trump. Its gonna take genuine support, enthusiasm and belief for a candidate that supports the progressive policies all of us want.

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (7 children)

lol, Harris had like a 100000000000 times better shot of winning than any third party candidate

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

You act like its a lottery instead of a decision voters are making. Anyone can have any odds of winning if the voters say so

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[–] derf82@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

And how many decades ago did a 3rd party get a single electoral vote?

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[–] blazera@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Yes i am talking about doing things differently than we have been. Its a normal thing in other countries to make such massive changes as electing different parties for the first time.

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