▲ 791 ▼ What year is it? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world to c/leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 126 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 83 points 2 years ago (1 child) Someone like AOC and Bernie will never be allowed anywhere near actual power. God damn money. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -39 points 2 years ago (4 children) and even if they did get in power, they'd still support NATO and imperialism in general, still support capitalist exploitation, and still would only pay lip service to or fight symptoms of systemic issues instead of ripping the cause that is capitalism out by it's root permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Not one of you clowns has any actionable idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago If you had made any honest attempt to look into socialist politics, you'd know that there are a lot of actionable ideas there permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago Oh we do, you just don’t like them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revolutionary action is 100% actionable. Always and forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Theoretically, but having an actionable idea means to have an idea that you have a plan to put in action. So as always, where is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 2 years ago Cries in Latin-American Spanish permalink fedilink source parent [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Ooo that got downvoted. All for saying "Fuck America" until NATO is stated, then it's "Actually, America is holy and great." permalink fedilink source parent [+] okamiueru@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com -39 points 2 years ago (4 children) and even if they did get in power, they'd still support NATO and imperialism in general, still support capitalist exploitation, and still would only pay lip service to or fight symptoms of systemic issues instead of ripping the cause that is capitalism out by it's root permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Not one of you clowns has any actionable idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago If you had made any honest attempt to look into socialist politics, you'd know that there are a lot of actionable ideas there permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago Oh we do, you just don’t like them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revolutionary action is 100% actionable. Always and forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Theoretically, but having an actionable idea means to have an idea that you have a plan to put in action. So as always, where is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 2 years ago Cries in Latin-American Spanish permalink fedilink source parent [–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Ooo that got downvoted. All for saying "Fuck America" until NATO is stated, then it's "Actually, America is holy and great." permalink fedilink source parent [+] okamiueru@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Not one of you clowns has any actionable idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago If you had made any honest attempt to look into socialist politics, you'd know that there are a lot of actionable ideas there permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago Oh we do, you just don’t like them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revolutionary action is 100% actionable. Always and forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Theoretically, but having an actionable idea means to have an idea that you have a plan to put in action. So as always, where is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 years ago If you had made any honest attempt to look into socialist politics, you'd know that there are a lot of actionable ideas there permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago Oh we do, you just don’t like them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Revolutionary action is 100% actionable. Always and forever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Theoretically, but having an actionable idea means to have an idea that you have a plan to put in action. So as always, where is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Theoretically, but having an actionable idea means to have an idea that you have a plan to put in action. So as always, where is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent [+] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) You can easily look up the answer to your question by yourself: leftist theory, often in the form of books (or even just watching video essays, listening to podcasts etc. etc.) You can start over here https://www.marxists.org/ One could argue that there are too many different socialist approaches to revolution or rather that it's not all that easy finding the correct one to your situation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* Additionally, check out the previous revolutions from around the world! Most of them didn't happen on a basis of theory, but of people determined to change their condition. Take Romania, for example. Sure, that's an example of a revolution which ended up replacing one disaster with another, but even that holds a lesson for us: word-of-mouth is king, don't give into desperation when figuring out the next attempt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) ... revolution. That is the idea. We are talking about two completely different things, you expect run-down people to think logically and clearly about something as complex as an alternative*(edit) societal system while actively existing in some of the worst social contexts we've seen in decades, while we are talking about acting in such a manner as to free up the cognitive bandwidth necessary to determine what you demand. It's like any other toxic relationship, you can't begin to heal until you've exited said relationship. To clarify, by any means necessary. Start demanding, start opposing, start rallying. Spread the word, keep the reality of things alive in people's awareness, because the natural instinct is to retreat and deny in order to protect oneself, but that's exactly the trap the Right sets and then springs for a massive boost in support from downtrodden, desperate people. Edit to add: the Right and Capitalism, because they both infiltrate and exist by solving problems they themselves create, thus garnering support through necessity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 2 years ago Cries in Latin-American Spanish permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Ooo that got downvoted. All for saying "Fuck America" until NATO is stated, then it's "Actually, America is holy and great." permalink fedilink source parent